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    Re: General Motors Is Still Crushing Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by TORRED1 View Post
    I would expect GM to be crushing Ford, they got all their debt wiped clean and 50 billion in cash handed to them, should we expect anything less.
    In have to give Ford credit for doing as well as they are, considering their debt wasn't wiped clean and they didn't screw their stock holders.
    After the bankruptcy's Ford was giving updated reports about there continued reduction of debt, I have not heard one in a couple of years. Have they paid down there debt completely or are they giving to much to the share holders

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    Re: General Motors Is Still Crushing Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by georgewerr View Post
    After the bankruptcy's Ford was giving updated reports about there continued reduction of debt, I have not heard one in a couple of years. Have they paid down there debt completely or are they giving to much to the share holders
    Giving too much to share holders......LOL

    $12.8 Billion Debt but I think part of that is a revolving line of Credit..

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    Quote Originally Posted by roy219 View Post
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    Thank you jpd80, well said! The oft repeated myth about sales of passenger cars and light trucks to rental fleets (or government or commercial fleets, for that matter) being unprofitable refuses to die in the media, unfortunately.
    The article didn't say they were "unprofitable", it said they "earn low margins". There's a difference. And it's true - or do you actually think Enterprise is paying anywhere close to MSRP?
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    I think GM is more worried about lowered residual values and higher leasing costs related to a flood of used rental fleets being dumped on the market than just the lower profit made on sales. For a few years now they have made a point of saying they are going to rely less on daily rental fleets and more on government and company fleets.

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    Re: General Motors Is Still Crushing Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    The big areas where GM gapped Ford are:
    1. Full sized trucks, Ford's F150 changeover probably costing 100K sales, maybe more.
    2. Full sized Utilities - Ford's Expedition and navigator are just too old now and lack enough appeal.
    3. Mid Sized trucks - Ford's avoidance of Ranger has probably cost it another 100K sales.

    Look at those three items and there's probably another 300K annual sales there for the taking,
    the only thing is that Ford probably lacks the production capacity to completely fill that deficit
    but we will see it make good on F Series this year, new large Utilities next year and Ranger after that.
    Yes and GM is going to stand still, while Ford overcomes its screw-ups.

    Lack of production capacity is a screwup of production planning due to lack of foresight by Ford's executives. Ford fans portray it as a handicap rather than call it what it is.

    GM executives on the other hand would be ridiculed for not doing proper strategic planning.

    When it comes to strategic planning and reading of the market GM executives have done better.
    1) Bringing out mid-size trucks was a better first step to meet the increasing CAFE standards - it has expanded their truck market share as an added benefit. Ford thougt their all Al truck would gobble up share and leave the competitors scrambling to match them. It has been far from it. With their experience in mixed materials strategy GM will execute the aluminum implementation in truck and utilities more efficiently than Ford.

    2) Ford can be given credit for giving importance to the van segment. GM has some catching up to do in that.

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    Re: General Motors Is Still Crushing Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by TORRED1 View Post
    I would expect GM to be crushing Ford, they got all their debt wiped clean and 50 billion in cash handed to them, should we expect anything less.
    In have to give Ford credit for doing as well as they are, considering their debt wasn't wiped clean and they didn't screw their stock holders.
    Stop spreading misinformation. This is extremely factually inaccurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKH View Post
    They endlessly post puff pieces about Tesla. I think they must be on Elon's payroll.
    Maybe but I think that journalists are too often trying to virtue signal and show themselves as hip and cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by analogbubbles View Post
    I'd like to see the fleet breakdown for Camaro vs Mustang. Historically the Mustangs been quite a bit higher and I suspect that's never been truer than it is right now.
    The Dodge Challenger is out selling both.

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    Re: General Motors Is Still Crushing Ford

    Ford is a better investment than GM is, at least Ford will continue to print money with the F-Series Trucks and moving the Explorer to RWD expands the profitability as does the fact that powertrains can be shared among F-Series, Explorer and Transit along with many new Lincoln SUVs.

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    Re: General Motors Is Still Crushing Ford

    Holy resurected post Batman
    Who the hell approved this abomination? Hidden Content

    I bet it was some dumbarse in Detroit Hidden Content

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    Re: General Motors Is Still Crushing Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    Holy resurected post Batman
    No kidding, I started reading on the first page and have had at least a dozen "Wait, what?" moments! I didn't actually look at the dates until I read about Ford losing 100k F-150 sales due to the changeover wonder what changeover?

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    Re: General Motors Is Still Crushing Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by SP1966 View Post
    No kidding, I started reading on the first page and have had at least a dozen "Wait, what?" moments! I didn't actually look at the dates until I read about Ford losing 100k F-150 sales due to the changeover wonder what changeover?
    I was really confused too, especially when I started reading about comparing sales numbers to January 2015, and I was like that's a weird date/year to randomly pick.

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