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    Fiat Chrysler will effectively fund the building of Tesla's new German factory

    Automotive News January 10, 2020 04:09 AM updated 7 hours ago.



    NEW YORK -- Fiat Chrysler Automobile's deal to pool its fleet with Tesla to comply with stricter emissions rules in Europe is in effect funding the electric-car maker's upcoming Germany factory, according to a U.S. investment bank.

    FCA reached an agreement with Tesla last spring that could cost FCA an estimated 1.8 billion ($2 billion) through 2023. That breaks out to about $150 million to $200 million per quarter and will pad Tesla's profit margins starting in the first three months of this year, according to Ben Kallo, a Robert W. Baird & Co. analyst.

    "While we acknowledge investors may want to strip out credits in evaluating operational execution, we do note the credits effectively fund Tesla's European factory," Kallo wrote in a report Thursday.

    While he cut his rating on Tesla to the equivalent of a hold, from a buy, the analyst raised his price target to $525, from $355.

    Representatives for FCA and Tesla did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
    CEO Elon Musk announced in November that Tesla planned to build a plant outside Berlin. Tesla will build several models at the factory starting with the Model 3 sedan and Model Y crossover, according a public notice published by the German state of Brandenburg.

    FCA plans to launch a new electric version of its Fiat 500 minicar in Europe this year, along with plug-in hybrid versions of its Jeep Compass, Renegade and Wrangler models. That, combined with the Tesla credits, should make the company compliant with Europe's emissions rules, CEO Mike Manley told analysts in July.

    While FCA would otherwise struggle to meet new CO2 emissions standards in Europe, the so-called open-pool option available in the European Union allows automakers to group their fleets together to meet targets.

    Compliance has gotten harder for automakers as consumers have shifted toward gasoline cars, which emit comparatively more CO2, following Volkswagen Group's diesel-emissions scandal that first erupted in 2015.


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    Wow Tesla will build 500,000 electric cars at thier free new factory in Germany all paid with European Union C02 emission credits sold to FCA, new European Union C02 based legislation that will impose 34 billion Euro fines on EU car makers will also help to push Europeans into buying new EV's like Tesla's as well, a double win win for Tesla.
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    Chrysler, the cow that keeps on getting milked

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    Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood EU pointy-headed Central Planner Bureaucrats, who produce nothing but chaos, butterflies, and unicorns.
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    Re: Fiat Chrysler will effectively fund the building of Tesla's new German factory

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood EU pointy-headed Central Planner Bureaucrats, who produce nothing but chaos, butterflies, and unicorns.
    Butterflies & Unicorns LOL kind of reminds me of the EU.



    EU emmisions legislation is an ass, you would probably better off in a lovely old pre-1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass classic in Europe they are road tax exempt, are free to drive in emission zones escape congestion zones charges for free, don't require to be emission tested can chuck out as much crap smoke sorry butterflies out the tailpipe as you like in parts of the EU watch out for the butterflies though, just ask Rupert Trooper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood EU pointy-headed Central Planner Bureaucrats, who produce nothing but chaos, butterflies, and unicorns.
    Remember Chrysler was given to the Europeans by your truly African cousin...

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    North American Ram pick-up & Jeep profits will be probably paying for all this somewhere down the line if the truth is known, it looks like FCA handed all its North American profits the only FCA region making any money all over to Telsla to build thier new German plant to escape paying the new European Union C02 based fines that start in 2020. VW & PSA will be hardest hit with 7 billion Euros fines, thank God GM got rid of $25 billion losers Opel Group.

    FCA 2019 Q3 results

    North America
    Revenue 19,069 Billion Euros
    2,019 Billion Euros profit

    APAC Australia/China region
    Revenue 676 million Euros
    10 million Euro loss

    EMEA Europe Middle East region
    Revenue 4,660 billion Euros
    55 million Euro loss

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    Revenue 2,187 billion Euros
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    Re: Fiat Chrysler will effectively fund the building of Tesla's new German factory

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood EU pointy-headed Central Planner Bureaucrats.
    Sad thing is Neanderthal these EU pointy-headed Central Planner Bureaucrats won't be spending one single Euro cent of the 34 billions C02 fine imposed on European carmakers on tackling their so called affects of climate change by reinvesting all back into car makers to help lower emissions in cars, they just beating the carmakers with climate change legislation stick and keep the revenue and spend it elsewhere.

    At the moment most of the under-25 generation in Europe now can't afford to buy or rent homes anymore as they are way out of thier budget as most now mainly work in low paid service sector jobs, the higher paid high skilled jobs the baby boomers enjoyed are now long gone have now moved to China just like the US. You only have to look at your local Walmart all the electrical goods, household items, clothes all have "Made in China" on them.

    EU will be reinvesting most of these 34 billion C02 automaker climate change fines in paying down it's massive EU overspending debts and building affordable housing for the young by building low rent car-free zone 50 story apartments projects in urban areas, they are going up everywhere where the low paid young can live that "friends" lifestyle in low rent swanky new white washed interiors, shiny MDF kitted out apartments living their EU anti-car climate change dream that they were greenwashed with at thier EU state schools. Which all fits in well with now with the European Union agenda now the North sea has been drained of most of it's oil and is very Middle East oil reliant as the EU has no oil, is anti-fracking will be heavily reliant on French nuclear power to power expensive electric cars only in the future car sales will start to fall declining every year now in the EU you can see it coming.
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    Re: Fiat Chrysler will effectively fund the building of Tesla's new German factory

    Were I FCA, I'd rather pay a fine to the government vs. fund a competitor.

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    Re: Fiat Chrysler will effectively fund the building of Tesla's new German factory

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Were I FCA, I'd rather pay a fine to the government vs. fund a competitor.
    Thats a very good point BlackGTP, but thats European Union government money will be spent elsewhere will more than likely fund building anti-car sky scrapers cheap housing for the young who cant afford to rent or buy its a massive problem in Europe (Not such a bad thing) in urban areas in large European city centres, where the car use is completely designed out (Not such a good thing for European automakers cash).

    What ever happens the European Union will keep using climate change as a great new way of milking 34 billion Euros from the European automakers/motorists in the future, once all the European automakers start to comply get most of thier brand fleets under the EU legislation 95 g/km of C02 limits the will drop the 34 billion fine collecting Euro limits to 50 g/km of C02. Sad to say the automakers can't win.

    FCA would have to pay more to the EU government, Tesla are saving them a little bit in fines and the money stays in the auto industry, once you give all the money over to the European Union government will spend it on implementing anti-car projects like skyscrapers with car free zones built around them thats the EU's way of dealing with climate change.
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    Re: Fiat Chrysler will effectively fund the building of Tesla's new German factory

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Were I FCA, I'd rather pay a fine to the government vs. fund a competitor.
    Makes me think that the fine in Europe is much higher than people think.

    North America is probably not that bad because of the shift to larger vehicles
    but Europe and its ever tightening regulations are probably really biting fiat Chrysler.

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    FCA have just 2 options JDP

    Option 1: Pay the European Union just over 3.24 billion Euro in C02 fines
    Option 2: Pay Telsa just over 1.8 billions for C02 credits = savings of 1.44 billion Euros


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    2021 CO2 targets would generate €34 billion euros in penalty payments within Europe



    VW brand are heading for the biggest C02 fines from the European Union JPD. European Union are virtually going to asset strip automakers of 3/4 of thier global earnings in fines with European Union legislation.

    Volkswagen Group would have to pay the largest fine of almost €2,525 per car sold. That comes to almost €9.2 billion. Last year the company posted earnings, after tax, of €12.15 billion. In other words, the penalty would be equivalent to three quarters of its latest annual global earnings.

    Ford will be hit with 2,576 European Union C02 fine on every car it sells in Europe JPD a tax on global warming something that use to be known as the weather in the past. Both Chevy & Cadillac have some of the worst highest C02 brand averages this must the canary in the mine warning of things to come in US States like California especially as the US & EU are looking to unify their industry regulations more. Americans dont typically buy Bolt EV golf cart so the Bolt with 1.100 sales a month won't save GM much in the way of C02 credits.

    JATO collect both car sales data & C02 emissions data in Europe worked out the fines.

    Typical Chevrolet & Cadillac are right out of touch with EU legislation would be facing $20,000+ on every car they sell in EU C02 based fines, only good thing is nobody buys them can afford to run them on $9 gas in Europe or wants them with a steering wheel will fitted on the wrong side of the car.

    EU is the canary in the mine of what could happen in California the biggest car buying State in the US if they start to impose C02 Based legislation, you can't help but think GM are asleep at the wheel at the REN CEN, Mr Trump who does not believe in climate change could end up inadvertently being GM's saviour.



    Wow VW Global profits totally wiped out by 9.12 billions Euro European Union C02 fines in the future, maybe they should pay for another Tesla factory.





    Wow Chevy tops the mainstream list in C02 emissions pollution in the European Union (Click on the image).

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    This is just the start!

    Cash strapped bankrupt local governments will start milking the motorists in every single city in Euroland.

    It seems like local government has been empowered to empty the wallets of British motorists. EU legislation is also facilitating legalised stealing forcing expensive Tesla's on everybody that most British people companies won't be able to afford.

    European automakers face a massive drop off in sales, a massive drop off profitability due to low wafer thin profits high asking prices of EV's, massive EU fines and 95 g/km C02 fine collecting EU regulation can be dropped changed to 50g g/km to keep the EU cash cow car owner milking machine going awash in climate change none of which will be spent on fixing so called climate change it will be spent elsewhere housing and other EU projects, as the EU can't move the sun.
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