European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

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    European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    The New York Times

    June 22, 2012

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    On Vacation and Sick? A Court Says Take Another

    By PAUL GEITNER

    BRUSSELS — For most Europeans, almost nothing is more prized than their four to six weeks of guaranteed annual vacation leave. But it was not clear just how sacrosanct that time off was until Thursday, when Europe’s highest court ruled that workers who happened to get sick on vacation were legally entitled to take another vacation.

    “The purpose of entitlement to paid annual leave is to enable the worker to rest and enjoy a period of relaxation and leisure,” the Court of Justice of the European Union, based in Luxembourg, ruled in a case involving department store workers in Spain. “The purpose of entitlement to sick leave is different, since it enables a worker to recover from an illness that has caused him to be unfit for work.”

    With much of Europe mired in recession, governments struggling to reduce budget deficits and officials trying to combat high unemployment, the ruling is a reminder of just how hard it is to shake up long-established and legally protected labor practices that make it hard to put more people to work and revive sinking economies.

    The workers originally won their case in a Spanish court, where they argued that collective bargaining agreements made a distinction between annual leave and sick leave that was recognized by Spanish law. The National Association of Large Distribution Businesses, known as Anged, appealed to the Supreme Court in Madrid, which then asked the Court of Justice for a ruling on how to apply European law covering working times.

    The Court of Justice had previously ruled that a person who gets sick before going on vacation is entitled to reschedule the vacation, and on Thursday it said that right extended into the vacation itself.

    “The point at which the temporary incapacity arose is irrelevant,” the court found.

    The ruling applies across the European Union of 27 countries.

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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    This should do wonders for the European automobile industry.

    You just can not make this stuff up.

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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    I did a double take upon noticing the article was dated June 22 and not April 1.
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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    Gee, I have always wondered how they are going to pay for all that vacation

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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    In other news, European medical researchers remain dumbfounded as to the sudden rise in the number of reported cases of colds, flu, sinus infections and other minor ailments during the holiday season. "This recent epidemic has no explanation," cited an unnamed source.
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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    We all know how well Greece and Spain are doing as well.
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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Orbit Orange View Post
    We all know how well Greece and Spain are doing as well.
    You know, ever since I signed out on vacation Moanday, I've had this feeling of dread and queasiness. Does it have anything to do with returning to work next week?

    Anyway, 2-year-vacation/sick leave, HERE I COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    In other news, workers in Eastern Europe, Russia, and Thailand celebrate their new found job security.
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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    What usually happensif you get sick while on your holiday yeah you can take it as sick leave but you lose your sick leave instead of you Holiday pay

    It's a swings and roundabouts deal
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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    We're the lawyers who argued that case on the UAW's payroll?

    Talk about successfully bargaining benefits!
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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    What usually happensif you get sick while on your holiday yeah you can take it as sick leave but you lose your sick leave instead of you Holiday pay

    It's a swings and roundabouts deal
    I suppose I don't have sufficient opportunist gene material, but I would never even have thought of trying to work that deal if I'd gotten sick during paid leave time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    I suppose I don't have sufficient opportunist gene material, but I would never even have thought of trying to work that deal if I'd gotten sick during paid leave time.

    We've come a long way, baby.



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    I never would but i have heard thats it's an available option

    Only reason i can think of is a person who accrued a lot of sick leave (which you can't take with you when you leave the company) who had a holiday ruined by a bout of the Flu or Phnemonia or something really nasty

    They can get another holiday later on or when they leave get the holiday pay they transfered from sick leave

    It's really not that big of a deal actually i don't see too much of it happening mostly i have staff asking to use anual leave rather than sick leave for when they "chuck a sicky" beacuse they have no sick leave left LOL
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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    Europe is facing a giant socialist implosion - this is just adding to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    I never would but i have heard thats it's an available option

    Only reason i can think of is a person who accrued a lot of sick leave (which you can't take with you when you leave the company) who had a holiday ruined by a bout of the Flu or Phnemonia or something really nasty

    They can get another holiday later on or when they leave get the holiday pay they transfered from sick leave

    It's really not that big of a deal actually i don't see too much of it happening mostly i have staff asking to use anual leave rather than sick leave for when they "chuck a sicky" beacuse they have no sick leave left LOL
    Yes, my staff too!

    Anyway, nothing exciting here - Aussies have this option too.
    If my staff bring in a Drs Certificate and request it, we will take the period listed on the sick note from their Sick Leave and credit their Annual Leave balance by the same.
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    Re: European Workers May Get Additional Time Off If Sick While On Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    I never would but i have heard thats it's an available option

    Only reason i can think of is a person who accrued a lot of sick leave (which you can't take with you when you leave the company) who had a holiday ruined by a bout of the Flu or Phnemonia or something really nasty

    They can get another holiday later on or when they leave get the holiday pay they transfered from sick leave

    It's really not that big of a deal actually i don't see too much of it happening mostly i have staff asking to use anual leave rather than sick leave for when they "chuck a sicky" beacuse they have no sick leave left LOL
    You work with some sick people, VS UTE!

    I can see this getting abused to a fare-the-well, that's the OTHER thing I see here.
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