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    Re: Dealer Strategist Advises On Stocking Sedan Models

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwboy2007 View Post
    I for one find this fascination by the public with CUVs appalling.
    I don't have a problem with it when it makes something I want to be cheap.
    Never been too interested in CUVs myself. SUVs (truck based) are a different story. I like 'em.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    I notice that a lot on my weekly Sunday look-about. One just has to be careful of making sure the odometer is in line and not a year old one with 28,000 miles on it already.
    Ours was right on the sweet spot for a deal.
    Not quite 4 years old (still had a few months warranty), 33K miles, loaded luxury sedan.
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    Re: Dealer Strategist Advises On Stocking Sedan Models

    Crossovers can be anything, they can even look like sedans with the right profile...but not enough people want anything that looks like a sedan today. This really is a permanent evolution of the automobile to maximize efficiency, flexibility, utility, and style. I think people forget that the midsize sedan essentially turned into a boring commodity appliance, but now that it's going away they romanticize it. I'm old enough to have seen this cycle happen over and over again. The wagon is the biggest example of a romanticized dead segment that was once ridiculed like a minivan. Essentially it's been replaced by demonstrably more capable and varied crossover options. People are just stuck on nostalgia and want to rationalize something that isn't rational.

    Sedans could remain as a niche, but the mainstream volume customers will always look for the best value and utility while others will look for style, luxury, performance, etc... Crossovers can still fill those segments too if people want. But the days of a 3-box profile are long behind us now. There is no turning back. I think we will eventually see crossovers with a more coupe-like sedan profile as people get bored by the 2-box SUV proportions, but right now people are still trying to get away from the the traditional car form factor.
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    Re: Dealer Strategist Advises On Stocking Sedan Models

    Gas Buddy reports that regular gas in Irvine, CA is between $4.39 and $ 4.65 a gallon.
    I think the future of the CUV/SUV craze has just hit a brick wall.
    Maybe the latest price increase is fueling Tesla sales.

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    Re: Dealer Strategist Advises On Stocking Sedan Models

    I predicted the demise of the sedan way back in 2003 in my book "Horsepower War: Our Way of Life."

    The real reason sedans are dying is that they suffer more stringent regulation. For examle, 'light trucks' never needed to add impact absorbing bumpers in the 70's like cars.

    But the main regulatory leap is for CAFE regulations which still reward massive size with lower fuel economy requirements.

    Government 'picking winners' has much more to do with this shift. You can offer 'more car' in the light truck form.

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    Trucks are not crossovers. Crossovers and sedans are regulated the same way.

    Everybody looking for any other reasons except the the real one, customer preferences.

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    Re: Dealer Strategist Advises On Stocking Sedan Models

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Trucks are not crossovers. Crossovers and sedans are regulated the same way.
    While trucks are not crossovers, crossovers can be classified as light trucks in the U.S.

    The Bureau of Economic Analysis classifies ALL crossovers as light trucks. NHTSA, which is responsible for CAFE, classifies some crossovers as passenger cars and others as light trucks. Certain models can fall into both classifications, depending on equipment. For example, Honda CR-V with 2WD is considered a passenger car, while CR-V with AWD is a light truck.

    Criteria used by NHTSA and EPA to classify a vehicle as a light truck:

    (a) An automobile designed to perform at least one of the following functions:

    (1) Transport more than 10 persons;

    (2) Provide temporary living quarters;

    (3) Transport property on an open bed;

    (4) Provide, as sold to the first retail purchaser, greater cargo-carrying than passenger-carrying volume, such as in a cargo van; if a vehicle is sold with a second-row seat, its cargo-carrying volume is determined with that seat installed, regardless of whether the manufacturer has described that seat as optional; or

    (5) Permit expanded use of the automobile for cargo-carrying purposes or other nonpassenger-carrying purposes through:

    (i) For non-passenger automobiles manufactured prior to model year 2012, the removal of seats by means installed for that purpose by the automobile's manufacturer or with simple tools, such as screwdrivers and wrenches, so as to create a flat, floor level, surface extending from the forwardmost point of installation of those seats to the rear of the automobile's interior; or

    (ii) For non-passenger automobiles manufactured in model year 2008 and beyond, for vehicles equipped with at least 3 rows of designated seating positions as standard equipment, permit expanded use of the automobile for cargo-carrying purposes or other nonpassenger-carrying purposes through the removal or stowing of foldable or pivoting seats so as to create a flat, leveled cargo surface extending from the forwardmost point of installation of those seats to the rear of the automobile's interior.

    (b) An automobile capable of off-highway operation, as indicated by the fact that it:

    (1)(i) Has 4-wheel drive; or

    (ii) Is rated at more than 6,000 pounds gross vehicle weight; and

    (2) Has at least four of the following characteristics calculated when the automobile is at curb weight, on a level surface, with the front wheels parallel to the automobile's longitudinal centerline, and the tires inflated to the manufacturer's recommended pressure—

    (i) Approach angle of not less than 28 degrees.

    (ii) Breakover angle of not less than 14 degrees.

    (iii) Departure angle of not less than 20 degrees.

    (iv) Running clearance of not less than 20 centimeters.

    (v) Front and rear axle clearances of not less than 18 centimeters each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwboy2007 View Post
    I for one find this fascination by the public with CUVs appalling.
    Yep, disgusting. But people are back at a pre war outlook on automobiles. Practicality, more interior space, durability, safety, just like a 1940 Chevrolet Special Deluxe. Longer, lower, faster, sleeker just like how I like my sedans, isnt in anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    I don't have a problem with it when it makes something I want to be cheap.
    Never been too interested in CUVs myself. SUVs (truck based) are a different story. I like 'em.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Evo69 View Post
    Yep, disgusting. But people are back at a pre war outlook on automobiles. Practicality, more interior space, durability, safety, just like a 1940 Chevrolet Special Deluxe. Longer, lower, faster, sleeker just like how I like my sedans, isnt in anymore.
    longer lower sleeker is GREAT till crash standards kick in and fuel regs are tightened and the resulting sedan is to cramped to get more then 2 people into it and almost nothing into the trunk opening

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evo69 View Post
    Yep, disgusting. But people are back at a pre war outlook on automobiles. Practicality, more interior space, durability, safety, just like a 1940 Chevrolet Special Deluxe. Longer, lower, faster, sleeker just like how I like my sedans, isnt in anymore.
    Why then do most of the makers of sedans, especially the smaller ones seem hell bent on that mantra? I tend to think that longer?, lower, faster?,sleeker is part of what did in the Chevy Cruze as per comparison to the first generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwboy2007 View Post
    I for one find this fascination by the public with CUVs appalling.
    And what makes it worse is that I feel,none of them are any better than the sedans that are being killed off by them.

    My mother's new Kona doesn't feel any more roomy or "practical" (God I hate that word)to use than my 92X Aero. Yeah it may sit a little higher (The Kona) to make it easier for old rickety butts to get in and out of,however other than that I don't see a real improvement over a sedan,hatch back, or wagon.

    CUV's are in my eyes are sissy-mobiles (HR-V and Pathfinder I'm looking at you two). Then again ease of ingress and egress is probably is what all it takes these days cause it sure ain't there in looks for a lot of these CUVs.
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    Re: Dealer Strategist Advises On Stocking Sedan Models

    Quote Originally Posted by jamiepeterson2 View Post
    Gas Buddy reports that regular gas in Irvine, CA is between $4.39 and $ 4.65 a gallon.
    I think the future of the CUV/SUV craze has just hit a brick wall.
    Maybe the latest price increase is fueling Tesla sales.
    This is mostly a California item. Florida is $2.30 to 2.45, even cheaper up the Atlantic seaboard to Virginia and over the panhandle through the gulf states to Texas. Cheaper winter gas is in the tanks now and will offset any Saudi anxiety for the rest of the year.

    Plus my small crossover gets over 30 mpg combined, so the only mileage disadvantage is highway mileage compared to a small sedan like the Cruze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbee60 View Post
    This is mostly a California item. Florida is $2.30 to 2.45, even cheaper up the Atlantic seaboard to Virginia and over the panhandle through the gulf states to Texas. Cheaper winter gas is in the tanks now and will offset any Saudi anxiety for the rest of the year.

    Plus my small crossover gets over 30 mpg combined, so the only mileage disadvantage is highway mileage compared to a small sedan like the Cruze.
    Yes, let us all stop thinking that Calicommiefornicationa is the center of the United States.

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    It's not so much that the trunk of modern sedans is so small, it's the mail slot opening they give you due to the aerodynamic sloping back glass. A five door vehicle solves the problem and that is why a lot of people want crossovers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingElv!s View Post
    I predicted the demise of the sedan way back in 2003 in my book "Horsepower War: Our Way of Life."

    The real reason sedans are dying is that they suffer more stringent regulation. For examle, 'light trucks' never needed to add impact absorbing bumpers in the 70's like cars.

    But the main regulatory leap is for CAFE regulations which still reward massive size with lower fuel economy requirements.

    Government 'picking winners' has much more to do with this shift. You can offer 'more car' in the light truck form.
    The ute trend got rolling with the MY 91 Explorer. It really gathered steam after the recession.
    My uber-trendy cousin switched from Accords to the '91 Explorer and eventually to the Pious line, which she still drives. What's IN has a lot to do with a lot. People want to fit in, be liked, conform. Trendy. Yes we can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwboy2007 View Post
    I for one find this fascination by the public with CUVs appalling.
    Try to find a better way to spend your mental dollars.

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Trucks are not crossovers. Crossovers and sedans are regulated the same way.

    Everybody looking for any other reasons except the the real one, customer preferences.
    Yup. This trend has been rolling for a while. Part of it is "trendiness" and once that ball gets rolling, it's rolling. People buy what they want or think they want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evo69 View Post
    Yep, disgusting. But people are back at a pre war outlook on automobiles. Practicality, more interior space, durability, safety, just like a 1940 Chevrolet Special Deluxe. Longer, lower, faster, sleeker just like how I like my sedans, isnt in anymore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    And what makes it worse is that I feel,none of them are any better than the sedans that are being killed off by them.

    My mother's new Kona doesn't feel any more roomy or "practical" (God I hate that word)to use than my 92X Aero. Yeah it may sit a little higher (The Kona) to make it easier for old rickety butts to get in and out of,however other than that I don't see a real improvement over a sedan,hatch back, or wagon.

    CUV's are in my eyes are sissy-mobiles (HR-V and Pathfinder I'm looking at you two). Then again ease of ingress and egress is probably is what all it takes these days cause it sure ain't there in looks for a lot of these CUVs.
    How you feel is not fact-driven data.

    Find interior space data for those two vehicles and that will answer your question.

    Sissy-mobiles? Great point of argument.
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