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    Re: Another High-Ranking (now retired) UAW Official Pleads Guilty to Criminal Charges

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    Because native lives and slave lives don't matter? We are just going to forget all the wars America waged for frivolous reason, like Iraq's WMDs that weren't there, and whatever got us in Vietnam? The Great Leap was a well-intentioned planning disaster and Mao admitted to it. The famine happened for many reasons, some of them weren't within China's control, like WW2, the Japanese invasion, and over 20 million dying as a result. America lost 400K in WW2 and wasn't invaded, China and Russia each were invaded and lost over 20 million. Comparing results post-WW2 isn't fair.



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    Wasn't the Great Leap 10-15 years AFTER WW2? The deaths from that (estimated as high as 50 million) have nothing to do with WW2 or Japanese invasion or the deaths that resulted from that.
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    Re: Another High-Ranking (now retired) UAW Official Pleads Guilty to Criminal Charges

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    Wasn't the Great Leap 10-15 years AFTER WW2? The deaths from that (estimated as high as 50 million) have nothing to do with WW2 or Japanese invasion or the deaths that resulted from that.
    I meant China was short 20 million working people, as was the USSR after WW2. You need labor to produce anything and China wasn't industrialized. The USSR actually managed to industrialize and become the biggest tank maker throughout WW2, but that's almost all what they made.
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    Re: Another High-Ranking (now retired) UAW Official Pleads Guilty to Criminal Charges

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    China did it in less Pre-Mao and socialism, China was a society of peasants, no industry at all. A similar story in the USSR, in 1917 Russia had no industry, Russians were poor farmers, then less than 40 years later they sent the first man to space before even the USA. This in spite of a Civil War that had America and other Western nation meddle in the hope of collapsing the Soviets, and in spite of WW2 where over 20 million Russians died and a Nazi invasion. America didn't have to put up with anything like that, oh and America stole patents and IP when it was industrializing.

    I want that! I want something that is better for the American worker.

    PS: I'm not jealous, but the Bible does say the rich are going to hell. The real question is: why are you such a bootlicker? Do you think they will throw you a bone?
    Ummm. China and Russia aren't socialist countries - they're communist. And BTW, I'll bet there were no unions in those countries back then - but we had a bunch in the USA during that time - maybe that's why? No, their people were and are still largely slaves. But you obviously don't care about that. It's like you're bragging on China being the world's leader in organ donor-ship, but ignore the fact that they kill their own people to harvest their organs. You seriously have your facts and logic screwed up.

    And I'm no "bootlicker" - I wear the boots. I'm the perfect example of what people can be capable of if they only try. I came from a poor, uneducated family and I made the most of it on my own. I worked my way though college and now have a great job/career. Same with my wife. The American Dream is that anybody can be successful and wealthy if they try. The problem is that unions and liberals discourage "trying" and promote punishing the evil, successful people by taking their hard-earned wealth in the name of "socialism." That's not the American way. That's the lazy, entitled way.

    Instead of taking from the rich, why not encourage the less-rich to do better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Self Reliance View Post
    China did it in less [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] Pre-Mao and socialism, China was a society of peasants, no industry at all. A similar story in the USSR, in 1917 Russia had no industry, Russians were poor farmers, then less than 40 years later they sent the first man to space before even the USA. This in spite of a Civil War that had America and other Western nation meddle in the hope of collapsing the Soviets, and in spite of WW2 where over 20 million Russians died and a Nazi invasion. America didn't have to put up with anything like that, oh and America stole patents and IP when it was industrializing.

    I want that! I want something that is better for the American worker.

    PS: I'm not jealous, but the Bible does say the rich are going to hell. The real question is: why are you such a bootlicker? Do you think they will throw you a bone?
    Ummm. China and Russia aren't socialist countries - they're communist. And BTW, I'll bet there were no unions in those countries back then - but we had a bunch in the USA during that time - maybe that's why? No, their people were and are still largely slaves. But you obviously don't care about that. It's like you're bragging on China being the world's leader in organ donor-ship, but ignore the fact that they kill their own people to harvest their organs. You seriously have your facts and logic screwed up.

    And I'm no "bootlicker" - I wear the boots. I'm the perfect example of what people can be capable of if they only try. I came from a poor, uneducated family and I made the most of it on my own. I worked my way though college and now have a great job/career. Same with my wife. The American Dream is that anybody can be successful and wealthy if they try. The problem is that unions and liberals discourage "trying" and promote punishing the evil, successful people by taking their hard-earned wealth in the name of "socialism." That's not the American way. That's the lazy, entitled way.

    Instead of taking from the rich, why not encourage the less-rich to do better?

    I stopped at Russia and China aren’t socialist they are communist. This alone has so much wrong with it, it is worth deconstructing.

    Russia since the collapse of the USSR has been capitalist, before it was socialist, China too is socialist but in a different manner. Socialism, like capitalism allows a spectrum of policies. Socialist China has a freer market than capitalist Japan.

    What is communism? Communism is a stateless and moneyless society, where everyone communally owns and shares in the profit produced by the means of production. Does China or USSR Russia fit this description?

    Socialism is a step towards communism, but it isn’t communism. Socialism is akin to a worker-owned company but on a national scale, achieving socialism is why there’s Marxism, Leninism, and Maoism among others. The common between them is the need for a revolution to over throw the capitalist class and the dictatorship of bourgeoisie (in America we call it voting for the lesser evil), and establish a dictatorship by the proletariat.

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    And I'm no "bootlicker" - I wear the boots.
    A member of the exploiter class.

    Here's why the workers have a right to "steal" from you:
    1. It was theirs to begin with and was stolen from them, look up wage theft data provided by the captured US government, and then learn about Surplus Labour which is even more theft that isn't recognized under capitalism as such
    2. The Bible promises the rich an eternity in hell, we are trying to do right by offering salvation
    3. Read Karl Marx's "Under no pretext" quote

    No, their people were and are still largely slaves.
    Not true. China and Russia weren't built on the back of the stolen labor of stolen people on stolen land, you are thinking of some other country but it escapes me at the moment. Did you know that an ambulance is $1000? debt is slavery and millions of Americans are in debt.

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    The American Dream is that anybody can be successful and wealthy if they try.
    Not true, look at wealth inequality and income mobility data.

    The problem is that unions and liberals discourage "trying" and promote punishing the evil, successful people by taking their hard-earned wealth in the name of "socialism." That's not the American way. That's the lazy, entitled way.
    Funny, to me you are a liberal.

    The rich are going to hell, why would you think God would send them there? Because they are evil. Socialists basically have a divine mandate, capitalists don't. If you are not religious, Albert Einstein is more eloquent in explaining why he is a socialist https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

    America was built on the back of stolen labor by stolen people on stolen land. So no, socialism is not the American way, it is a better way.

    Did you know America stole patents and IP?
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06...e-pirates-too/
    https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-...ca-has-history

    This is one American way thing China is doing.
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    Re: Another High-Ranking (now retired) UAW Official Pleads Guilty to Criminal Charges

    How come the Unions weren't able to save his job?

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    Re: Another High-Ranking (now retired) UAW Official Pleads Guilty to Criminal Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Self Reliance View Post
    A member of the exploiter class.

    Here's why the workers have a right to "steal" from you:
    1. It was theirs to begin with and was stolen from them, look up wage theft data
    2. The Bible promises the rich an eternity in hell, we are trying to do right by offering salvation
    3. Read Karl Marx's "Under no pretext" quote

    Not true. China and Russia weren't built on the back of the stolen labor of stolen people on stolen land, you are thinking of some other country but it escapes me at the moment. Did you know that an ambulance is $1000? debt is slavery and millions of Americans are in debt.
    There's your problem. I'm very much upper-middle class, but I've exploited nobody - except the lazy fools who were too scared or ignorant to see an opportunity and make the best of it. Working harder and working smarter are virtue that should be rewarded, not punished. The idea that you support "stealing" from the innovators and motivators and doers is horrible. What does the bible say about taking what's not yours?

    And wage theft? If you're talking criminal activity, then prosecute. No issue there. But I assume you're talking about keeping wages at the lowest possible levels? It's a voluntary job, not slavery. Employees are free to find better jobs if they don't like their current one. If companies can't find qualified employees at the lowest level, then they'll be forced to raise wages. It's called market based compensation. Find a skill, make yourself invaluable and employers will pay top dollar. It's a simple concept.

    And yes, I do know an ambulance can be expensive. But that's why there is insurance. Or a savings account. Or an emergency fund. It's called being responsible and accountable...

    And (almost) nobody is forced into debt - they willfully accept it. The only "slavery" is to their own incompetence and poor judgement. Please don't blame other people for that. But you will, I can tell your kind. You always blame others for your shortcomings. You think that you're entitled to more just because you showed up to work.

    FYI, if you work in software and want to be in a union, I hear that all the engineers at Boeing in Seattle are in a union. I have a college buddy that went there for a couple of years and then ran away. He said the work environment was horrible and the people were arrogant and lazy - but they all the same raise every year. You seem like you'd fit right in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruckMan View Post
    There's your problem. I'm very much upper-middle class, but I've exploited nobody - except the lazy fools who were too scared or ignorant to see an opportunity and make the best of it. Working harder and working smarter are virtue that should be rewarded, not punished. The idea that you support "stealing" from the innovators and motivators and doers is horrible. What does the bible say about taking what's not yours?
    It is not stealing if you are taking back what's rightfully yours. I'm also middle class (what's the definition of upper? just making above the average? if so I guess I'm upper too), and I am doing very well for myself, but I'm capable of realizing how evil the system is and the people who run it are. Socialism is a better alternative for 99% of Americans than capitalism ever been. You have a strong misunderstanding of who socialists are and why socialism. Read this by Albert Einstein https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ explaining why he's a socialist

    American industry started out by stealing other nations patents and designs, and "innovaters" and "motivators" are scam artists and charlatans who steal from others. Why do you think they are going to hell? There's an alternative mode of production to greed-driven capitalism, just look at Linux and open source software. People are more than willing to create without a profit motive.

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    And yes, I do know an ambulance can be expensive. But that's why there is insurance. Or a savings account. Or an emergency fund. It's called being responsible and accountable...
    What an absurd take. You lose your job and you lose all of it, that’s is if your job provided one, if you have to buy your own the costs are ridiculous and the coverage is spotty at best. An ambulance should be free, as should all healthcare, it is a human right and shouldn't be for-profit.

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    FYI, if you work in software and want to be in a union, I hear that all the engineers at Boeing in Seattle are in a union. I have a college buddy that went there for a couple of years and then ran away. He said the work environment was horrible and the people were arrogant and lazy - but they all the same raise every year. You seem like you'd fit right in.
    Nonsense. Boeing's culture has been corrupted by management and all the good engineers were driven away or learned to behave accordingly, union membership has nothing to do with it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os
    https://newrepublic.com/article/1549...ial-revolution
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    It is not stealing if you are taking back what's rightfully yours. I'm also middle class (what's the definition of upper? just making above the average? if so I guess I'm upper too), and I am doing very well for myself, but I'm capable of realizing how evil the system is and the people who run it are. Socialism is a better alternative for 99% of Americans than capitalism ever been. You have a strong misunderstanding of who socialists are and why socialism. Read this by Albert Einstein https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ explaining why he's a socialist
    What's rightfully whose? You work for somebody or a company, and everything you do is 100% there's. That's why you get paid. It's only rightfully yours if it's your company and your work and your IP. Typing at a keyboard or turning a wrench doesn't make any part of the company yours. That's laughable.

    Socialism only works if everybody contributes equally. As soon somebody contributes more and gets penalized, or somebody decides to just not contribute at all, then socialism starts to fall apart. That's the part that completely ignored. It sounds great to everybody now because there are all these rich people to steal from, but if they weren't here to cover everybody else, it wouldn't work. Look at all the rich people leaving France, Seattle, California, New York to avoid the wealth/millionaire taxes. Look at all the companies that moved HQ and outsourced labor/manufacturing. Socialism is a noose to productivity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Self Reliance View Post
    American industry started out by stealing other nations patents and designs, and "innovaters" and "motivators" are scam artists and charlatans who steal from others. Why do you think they are going to hell? There's an alternative mode of production to greed-driven capitalism, just look at Linux and open source software. People are more than willing to create without a profit motive.
    We've had this discussion about Linux - all the creators are multi-millionaires. They've made plenty of profit. And taking the riches from other countries is what happens when you conquer another country, if that's what you're referring to. And Linux less of a socialism example and more of a Charitable example. That's what happens when you have more than your share of wealth, you share. When sharing is forced onto people, that's socialism. Capitalism gives everybody a choice. Socialism is forced compliance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Self Reliance View Post
    What an absurd take. You lose your job and you lose all of it, that’s is if your job provided one, if you have to buy your own the costs are ridiculous and the coverage is spotty at best. An ambulance should be free, as should all healthcare, it is a human right and shouldn't be for-profit.
    LOL. A human right? Not for profit? How could it possibly be free? How many doctors would work 100% for free? Who's going to pay for the gas in the ambulance? Who's going to buy the ambulance. Oh, you don't mean free, you mean somebody else should pay for you. Got it! What a freaking joke. $52T "free" healthcare for all! If it was free it wouldn't cost anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Self Reliance View Post
    Nonsense. Boeing's culture has been corrupted by management and all the good engineers were driven away or learned to behave accordingly, union membership has nothing to do with it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os
    https://newrepublic.com/article/1549...ial-revolution
    So the management forced the good engineers away, not the unions? That's not what my college buddy said that worked there. And he's a great engineer. Straight A's in engeineering college and about to be chief engineer of a large team at my company. Very smart and hard working. He left specifically because of the unions and their mentality (and the crappy weather). Everybody got the same raise regardless of performance. People were chastised for working hard. Sound familiar?
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    What's rightfully whose? You work for somebody or a company, and everything you do is 100% there's. That's why you get paid. It's only rightfully yours if it's your company and your work and your IP. Typing at a keyboard or turning a wrench doesn't make any part of the company yours. That's laughable.
    Workers are never compensated fairly for their labor, be it manual labor or creative. So any gain a company and its shareholders make is stolen labor, no CEO works 400x smarter or harder than the average worker. That's why I believe in seizing the means of production by force if necessary. It is not necessary to convince you, just enough to raise class consciousness among the proletariat. People are aware of how ****ed their situation is, they just don't know why. Why do you think Trump won? People know the system is rigged, it is just they don't know who is rigging it, and the media is doing a good job at keeping them confused. For a country that is 70% Christian, I'm surprised people miss the answer when it is right there in the Bible, i.e. the rich are the problem. The revolution will not happen at the ballot box, that's why Democratic Socialism doesn't work -sorry Bernie-. The bourgeoisie won't give us back what they stole from us peacefully, it has to be retaken.

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    Socialism only works if everybody contributes equally. As soon somebody contributes more and gets penalized, or somebody decides to just not contribute at all, then socialism starts to fall apart. That's the part that completely ignored. It sounds great to everybody now because there are all these rich people to steal from, but if they weren't here to cover everybody else, it wouldn't work. Look at all the rich people leaving France, Seattle, California, New York to avoid the wealth/millionaire taxes. Look at all the companies that moved HQ and outsourced labor/manufacturing. Socialism is a noose to productivity.
    Not true. Socialism is not higher taxes or a higher minimum wage. It is seizing the means of production. Sooner or later everything will be automated, so the amount of necessary labor will be reduced significantly. We are very close to being able to produce wealth without requiring everyone to work. The problem is, only the people who own the means of production will benefit, unless we seize them of course.
    Did you read this by Albert Einstein explaining why he's a socialist? https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ You seem to think it has to do with laziness or jealousy, instead of wanting a fairer system that works for the majority.


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    We've had this discussion about Linux - all the creators are multi-millionaires. They've made plenty of profit. And taking the riches from other countries is what happens when you conquer another country, if that's what you're referring to. And Linux less of a socialism example and more of a Charitable example. That's what happens when you have more than your share of wealth, you share. When sharing is forced onto people, that's socialism. Capitalism gives everybody a choice. Socialism is forced compliance.
    Linux is not a charity. Linux demonstrates an alternative to the capitalist mode of production, and it is only one example of many open source projects where quality products are produced with no profit-motive. Every company I worked for utilized open source software, somehow it is okay if socialism benefits corporations, just not the people?

    Capitalism is forced compliance and slavery. Under socialism if you choose not to work your basic needs are met, but if you want more then you work and raise or fall by how much you put in. Eventually when communism is achieved, there will be no more poverty since both money and government would have been abolished.

    Where would America be today without the slave labor and stolen land it was built by and on? Where would capitalism be if workers didn't feel forced to choose between work or death? I have very good health insurance from my employer that I will lose if I every got laid off. Capitalism produces boom and bust cycles where every now and then a percentage of the population is thrown overboard.
    We can achieve a better society where work is reward without the alternative being death. In America people are dying needlessly from preventable diseases because they are denied coverage by greedy rich people. People are homeless because landlords are hoarding houses and inflating real estate prices by reducing supply.


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    LOL. A human right? Not for profit? How could it possibly be free? How many doctors would work 100% for free? Who's going to pay for the gas in the ambulance? Who's going to buy the ambulance. Oh, you don't mean free, you mean somebody else should pay for you. Got it! What a freaking joke. $52T "free" healthcare for all! If it was free it wouldn't cost anything.
    Yes a human right. Otherwise capitalism is no different than slavery. Seizing the means of production would easily pay for it many times over. People have a right to be healthy, it is not even contradictory to capitalism as many capitalist countries guarantee healthcare to its citizens.



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    So the management forced the good engineers away, not the unions? That's not what my college buddy said that worked there. And he's a great engineer. Straight A's in engeineering college and about to be chief engineer of a large team at my company. Very smart and hard working. He left specifically because of the unions and their mentality (and the crappy weather). Everybody got the same raise regardless of performance. People were chastised for working hard. Sound familiar?
    No it does not sound familiar. People though should be chastised for working hard. We work to live, not live to work. Your friend's story is anecdotal, we can do better than anecdotes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Self Reliance View Post
    Workers are never compensated fairly for their labor, be it manual labor or creative. So any gain a company and its shareholders make is stolen labor. That's why I believe in seizing the means of production by force if necessary. It is not necessary to convince you, just enough to raise class consciousness among the proletariat. People are aware of how ****ed their situation is, they just don't know why. Why do you think Trump won? People know the system is rigged, it is just they don't know who is rigging it. For a country that is 70% Christian, I'm surprised people miss the answer when it is right there in the Bible. The revolution will not happen at the ballot box, that's why Democratic Socialism doesn't work -sorry Bernie-. The bourgeoisie won't give us back what they stole from us peacefully, it has to be retaken.



    Not true. Socialism is not higher taxes or a higher minimum wage. It is seizing the means of production. Sooner or later everything will be automated, so the amount of necessary labor will be reduced significantly. We are very close to being able to produce wealth without requiring everyone to work. The problem is, only the people who own the means of production will benefit, unless we seize them of course.
    Did you read this by Albert Einstein explaining why he's a socialist? https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ You seem to think it has to do with laziness or jealousy, instead of wanting a fairer system that works for the majority.




    Linux is not a charity. Linux demonstrates an alternative to the capitalist mode of production, and it is only one example of many open source projects where quality products are produced with no profit-motive. Every company I worked for utilized open source software, somehow it is okay if socialism benefits corporations, just not the people?

    Capitalism is forced compliance and slavery. Under socialism if you choose not to work your basic needs are met, but if you want more then you work and raise or fall by how much you put in. Eventually when communism is achieved, there will be no more poverty since both money and government would have been abolished.

    Where would America be today without the slave labor and stolen land it was built by and on? Where would capitalism be if workers didn't feel forced to choose between work or death? I have very good health insurance from my employer that I will lose if I every got laid off. Capitalism produces boom and bust cycles where every now and then a percentage of the population is thrown overboard.
    We can achieve a better society where work is reward without the alternative being death. In America people are dying needlessly from preventable diseases because they are denied coverage by greedy rich people. People are homeless because landlords are hoarding houses and inflating real estate prices by reducing supply.




    Yes a human right. Otherwise capitalism is no different than slavery. Seizing the means of production would easily pay for it many times over. People have a right to be healthy, it is not even contradictory to capitalism as many capitalist countries guarantee healthcare to its citizens.





    No it does not sound familiar. People though should be chastised for working hard. We work to live, not live to work. Your friend's story is anecdotal, we can do better than anecdotes.
    You're crazy. Your "scheme" only works because the wealth and technology already exists. Once you "steal" it from the owners and share it amongst the thieves, productivity will slow. Innovation will slow. Advancements in technology will slow. Nobody will try harder to make things better because they'll know that it'll be taken from them. There will no longer be a reason to make things better. That's the benefit of capitalism - people look for the next advancement or improvement to keep an advantage and keep relevant. The desire for wealth drives many people and businesses. It's not for everybody, but that's why you have a choice. It's not forced on anybody. You still today have the option of doing less, but with less compensation.

    And that's ludicrous to say everybody is under-compensated. Who defines what is fair compensation for labor? A union? A union that has no idea how to run a company? People that have never owned a business? People that have never had an idea or a concept that's been successfully seen to fruition? Again, you're punishing the innovators, the risk takers, the owners of the business because you think (while being ignorant to all the facts) that you deserve more while contributing much, much less. Owning a business is hard, and expensive, and risky. Being an employee of a big company is easy. One could easily argue that the owners of the business are underpaid as well.

    Your problem is that you think you are entitled to everything. You aren't. You need to earn it. Health insurance is a benefit, not a right. If you think you're going to be laid off, then work harder to keep your job or find your own insurance. Our government today will give you basic health services if you can't afford your own, but nobody wants the bare minimum, right? You want the premium service and care for free. It's because you're jealous of other people and their results. You don't want the minimum, you want it all without all the effort and risk. There are plenty of charities out there that take care of the needy. People just have their priorities misaligned.
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    You're crazy. Your "scheme" only works because the wealth and technology already exists. Once you "steal" it from the owners and share it amongst the thieves, productivity will slow. Innovation will slow. Advancements in technology will slow. Nobody will try harder to make things better because they'll know that it'll be taken from them. There will no longer be a reason to make things better. That's the benefit of capitalism - people look for the next advancement or improvement to keep an advantage and keep relevant. The desire for wealth drives many people and businesses. It's not for everybody, but that's why you have a choice. It's not forced on anybody. You still today have the option of doing less, but with less compensation.

    And that's ludicrous to say everybody is under-compensated. Who defines what is fair compensation for labor? A union? A union that has no idea how to run a company? People that have never owned a business? People that have never had an idea or a concept that's been successfully seen to fruition? Again, you're punishing the innovators, the risk takers, the owners of the business because you think (while being ignorant to all the facts) that you deserve more while contributing much, much less. Owning a business is hard, and expensive, and risky. Being an employee of a big company is easy. One could easily argue that the owners of the business are underpaid as well.

    Your problem is that you think you are entitled to everything. You aren't. You need to earn it. Health insurance is a benefit, not a right. If you think you're going to be laid off, then work harder to keep your job or find your own insurance. Our government today will give you basic health services if you can't afford your own, but nobody wants the bare minimum, right? You want the premium service and care for free. It's because you're jealous of other people and their results. You don't want the minimum, you want it all without all the effort and risk. There are plenty of charities out there that take care of the needy. People just have their priorities misaligned.
    We can agree to disagree. I'd love to discuss in details but it is beyond the scope of this forum. You can read Albert Einstein's essay on why he's a socialist, and that would only serve as a starting point to even begin to understand what socialism is. I'm not going to undo years of neoliberal propaganda, and science demonstrates that people cling harder to their believes when they are challenged, at least at first.

    Reminder, freedom wasn't a right until some landholding slaveholders decided they had enough of King George III. Fighting for something is how you earn it
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