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    Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Answer (believe it or not), none of the above.


    The Detroit News
    September 19, 2019



    Plymouth-based electric vehicle startup Rivian Automotive LLC plans to build 100,000 bespoke electric vans for e-commerce giant Amazon.com Inc.

    The first vans, only the third vehicle announced by Rivian, would hit roadways in the U.S. by 2021. The automaker would have 10,000 vans on roads by late 2022, said Rivian spokeswoman Amy Mast.

    The Amazon vans are the latest in a growing string of partnerships and investments in Rivian. The automaker, which has yet to build a production vehicle, netted a $350 million investment from Atlanta-based Cox Automotive earlier this month.

    The automaker has poached engineers and others from the Detroit Three, including a designer who worked on Ford's forthcoming Bronco SUV.

    The quiet startup aims to launch a five-passenger electric R1T pickup and a seven-passenger R1S SUV with a more-than 400-mile range and off-road capability in late 2020. The Plymouth-based startup made waves late last year when it unveiled the sleek products — hardly anyone had heard of Rivian.

    The company didn't even have signs on its buildings last November, shortly after it stole the show at the Los Angeles auto show.








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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Now reverberating in the boardrooms of GM, Ford and Ram (FCA)..."WTH just happened?".












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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Didn't Amazon recently make a huge investment in Rivian?
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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Quote Originally Posted by tripowergto Jan2003 View Post
    Didn't Amazon recently make a huge investment in Rivian?
    That's correct! A $700 million investment round in Rivian led by Amazon was announced in February 2019.
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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    And... those electric vans won't pay any road tax until rules are changed.
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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

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    Now reverberating in the boardrooms of GM, Ford and Ram (FCA)..."WTH just happened?".












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    Are you sure, the conversation could have just as easily been. Amazon: We'd like 100K vans for free, we will let you publicize that and the value of that advertising should more than cover the cost of the Vans. We are doing you a favor. Just be glad we don't ask you to pay us to give us vans.
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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Hopefully Honda trademarked their E design already!!

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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Fleet trucks is really the only good use of EV tech right now. But 100K is only half of the run of pickups for the each of the big 3. Just like the new US Postal truck bid, it's a good win for a startup like Rivian or Workhorse.

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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    It's a big jump to contract with a company that hasn't built any vans (or anything else for that matter) to supply their needed vans. Good luck there.
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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Isn't Rivian in bed w/ Ford? I'm assuming they're going to leverage some Ford factory space to build these.
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    Isn't Rivian in bed w/ Ford? I'm assuming they're going to leverage some Ford factory space to build these.
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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Ford is an investor in Rivian but they are developing a Lincoln together. Ford does have electric Transit BEV on the way which is not related to Rivian. I don't think Ford is involved here, but it would seem an obvious partnership.
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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Doesn't Amazon have subcontract delivery drivers and vans?

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...on/2373507001/
    With an initial investment of as little as $10,000, the company says it can get you leased vans, insurance, gas cards and training to launch your own delivery fleet. The site also promises to be your first – and, possibly, only – customer. A delivery fleet owner with 20 to 40 vans can potentially earn $300,000 a year, Amazon says.
    Hi risk/low return, no wonder Amazon is out sourcing it.
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    Re: Amazon Wants 100,000 New Vans - GM, Ford or Ram?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDan View Post
    It's a big jump to contract with a company that hasn't built any vans (or anything else for that matter) to supply their needed vans. Good luck there.
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    Doesn't Amazon have subcontract delivery drivers and vans?

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...on/2373507001/
    And I presume they're planning on putting the hurts, at least, on FedEx and UPS, if not snuffing them.
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