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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Burlapp says we should think of sedans as the new coupes, which explains why they're disappearing.

    It was Zeta that didn't do AWD.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I don't think the normal rear seat dimensions are the issue so much. While yes, they are smaller than the competition, they are workable (unless you are 6' 6" or 300 lbs). The real problem is your feet, they must be contorted to get them in and once in you are locked into place.
    I agree. The gas tank intrudes too far forward in front of the seat cushion. Not normal.

    I got my feet stuck in a 3 series at a car show 20 years ago. I had to sprawl out the door onto the floor and twist to get my feet out.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by JBsZ06 View Post
    They must know what they are doing.
    Yup; they always "know what they are doing", doesn't make it right though...............


    Quote Originally Posted by DequindreToo View Post
    So... GM neglected to fix the biggest complaint about the ATS? Is anyone actually in charge at GM these days?
    Maybe they thought nobody would notice!?

    I can write the headline now: GM UNALLOCATES LANSING GRAND RIVER, IMPORTS 2 NEW CUV'S FROM MEXICO

    "The industry has changed, people no longer buy luxury sedan's or performance coupes, we will be ceasing operations at LGR by the end of the year" states Mary Barra.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cobaltss_King View Post
    At the same price point the ATS was at GM has decided to give you a bigger car. It’s called CT5. Problem solved. Nothing more to see here. GM was quite clear when they said no direct replacement for the ATS or CTS.
    So then, what was stopping Cadillac from changing the names of the ATS/CTS and lowering the price several years ago?
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by kool1 View Post
    I didn't buy an ATS for because the back seats were so bad so I'm obviously out for a CT4.

    GM never learns.
    Here is my question for you, if the CT5 is priced where the ATS was then would you buy the CT5 instead?.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    I can write the headline now: GM UNALLOCATES LANSING GRAND RIVER, IMPORTS 2 NEW CUV'S FROM MEXICO

    "The industry has changed, people no longer buy luxury sedan's or performance coupes, we will be ceasing operations at LGR by the end of the year" states Mary Barra.
    I'm not going to say that won't happen.
    GM has a rich history of releasing / refreshing vehicles only to kill them a year or two later.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    So...are we all in agreement that the CT4 is sized segment-wise w/ the C/3 and not the A/1? The CT5 is still a E/5 competitor and isn't compact. 192" of overall length is not compact. So with all that said, will these cars show tails to the C43 and E43? Probably not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert1969 View Post
    No because it is not priced like those. Entry level buyers are going to look at what they get for their money. When they see the CT4-V priced the same as A Class, they are going to compare those two. The 3 Series will start at $40k, and thie CT4 will start about $32-34k, you know, like the A Class.
    Don't care about the price....key word here is sized. Just to be argumentative here and using the same criteria, price...Would you then admit that the Avalon competes w/ the ATS? They're both the same price...depending on options.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cobaltss_King View Post
    At the same price point the ATS was at GM has decided to give you a bigger car. It’s called CT5. Problem solved. Nothing more to see here. GM was quite clear when they said no direct replacement for the ATS or CTS.
    Have they released pricing or are we just guessing?

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cobaltss_King View Post
    At the same price point the ATS was at GM has decided to give you a bigger car. It’s called CT5. Problem solved. Nothing more to see here. GM was quite clear when they said no direct replacement for the ATS or CTS.

    No direct replacement for ATS???? The CT4 is the ATS...same width, same wheelbase, same greenhouse only thing different is the name and the shape of the headlights/taillights.

    Oh and the other thing where GM is telling you that what is basically the same car from the last gen eventhough its longer, now competes a segment below.

    So to be clear GM took the ATS, changed its name and told you it now competes in a smaller class and you believe it.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    No direct replacement for ATS???? The CT4 is the ATS...same width, same wheelbase, same greenhouse only thing different is the name and the shape of the headlights/taillights.

    Oh and the other thing where GM is telling you that what is basically the same car from the last gen eventhough its longer, now competes a segment below.

    So to be clear GM took the ATS, changed its name and told you it now competes in a smaller class and you believe it.
    I still can't believe people ate that poop pie and thought it was good.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    I still can't believe people ate that poop pie and thought it was good.
    And on top of that...double down and argue with you when you point it out.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cobaltss_King View Post
    At the same price point the ATS was at GM has decided to give you a bigger car. It’s called CT5. Problem solved. Nothing more to see here. GM was quite clear when they said no direct replacement for the ATS or CTS.
    Bad news, dawg.

    ATS is back, and it's called CT4. It's most likely going to be priced the same—and CT5 the same as CTS, but maybe cheaper. The only thing that's changed is that they haven't jumped prices again, but are now playing a kind of "prestige game."

    ATS and CTS failed to prove themselves at their price points, so GM has decided to basically keep them at par in their followups.

    Par used to mean they were competing with their rivals at slightly more cramped interiors, but cheaper prices. Now it means you're getting the same car (literally in the case of CT4), but it's being pitched as a competitor to cars below their former competition, where it's now "the expensive option" with still bad interior packaging that's hardly better than the competition—and in the case of CT4, worse.

    The CT5 will be a low-to-mid $40,000 car and it's only a little big bigger than the $42,000 C-Class it's supposed to compete with (and compete with as a LWB in China)—and smaller than the E.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Have they released pricing or are we just guessing?
    Guessing; the CT4 (standard version) hasn't even been released yet.............

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    No direct replacement for ATS???? The CT4 is the ATS...same width, same wheelbase, same greenhouse only thing different is the name and the shape of the headlights/taillights.

    Oh and the other thing where GM is telling you that what is basically the same car from the last gen even though its longer, now competes a segment below.

    So to be clear GM took the ATS, changed its name and told you it now competes in a smaller class and you believe it.
    Almost comical when you frame it that way.

    I am actually COMPLETELY surprised; I legit thought GM was going to fix some of the issues related to the platform design.

    This is barely more than a "rush-job" refresh! Doesn't bode well for significant (any) changes to the Camaro............
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

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    Remind me again why Alpha even exists.

    Both Sigma and Zeta produced more viable alternatives with more than enough performance to be competitive and appeal to buyers, yet GM found in necessary to dump Billions of $ into it not once but twice to "fix" it, then it comes out with a questionably styled model that does not address the AT4's main problem.

    Amazing!!

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    nterestng story on all the platforms.
    Holden originally began Sigma as the new Global RWD back in the late 90s but Cadillac wanted a smaller cabin that was not suitable for Commodore/Lumina/Impala, so they handed it over to GM NA/Cadillac and begam Zeta as a Sigma Lite to encompass everything from a 110" wheelbase coupe to a 120" wheelbase Utility (Traverse).
    Holden also kicked off the original concept of Alpha as a cost effective compact platform that while not Kappa was based on that philosophy......

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Would you then admit that the Avalon competes w/ the ATS? They're both the same price...depending on options.
    Avalon is not a sports sedan, nor will it fit on my side of the garage.

    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    Bad news, dawg.

    ATS is back, and it's called CT4. It's most likely going to be priced the same—and CT5 the same as CTS, but maybe cheaper. The only thing that's changed is that they haven't jumped prices again, but are now playing a kind of "prestige game.
    We'll see. If they slash the price of the ATS/CT4, then it's a big winner.
    If they don't, then it's gonna be in a dogfight with the Giulia... assuming Alfa sticks around, of course.
    I'll have a lot more confidence in Alfa if they're still around in 5 years. I have no confidence today. Nice car, though.

    Mercedes and BMW are out. The MB dealer are actual criminals that have lost brands due to frauds they perpetrated.
    The BMW dealer are just goofs. My step-SIL has had two and will not set foot in there.

    They're so bad that she goes to Chicago.
    I owned a BMW back in the day and they were goofs back then. Apparently they have not improved.
    I gave up trying to buy parts there and mail ordered them from Rick Hendrick BMW in N.C... they are good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
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    So, you buy the new CT4 / V if your friends have no feet.................. just like you buy a new Camaro if your friends have no legs.

    Choices are good. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
    What to buy if your friends have no brains? [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
    *Casa raises hand...*. "A FORD!!!"

    the class goes wild
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    What to buy if your friends have no brains? [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
    Then u definitely buy the 320hp CT4-V.
    Quick question.. What's stupid about buying a 320hp/370lb-ft powered 3600 lb sport sedan? I'm missing something. Baby steps now.. It should have been this way from the beginning. I don't know if U have tried driving an ATSV, with 144 more ponies but it's not for novices. I won't even mention the 640hp CTS-V... Which is really only down 10hp from the Z06 because of a more restricted exhaust. All three of those cars, along with the Vette and Camaro WILL KILL U if U don't know what U are doing. Now we have levels.

    In terms of size.. Measurements might be irrelevant if FEEL is comfy. Cadillac needs to get a few media butts in seats and hopefully dispell dissent.

    Truthfully.. A lot of y'all wait, wish, and hope that Cadillac fails at every turn. Reading some of your nonsense is depressing.. Especially considering that very often U nail down coffins before ever sitting ass in seat.
    My current crop is 2016 CTSV Fully loaded, 2016 Corvette Z06 3LT fully loaded, 2015 GMC Yukon SLT Fully loaded, 2014 Impala LTZ, fully loaded, 2011 Chevy Cruze (kid's) LTZ, fully loaded, 1966 Chevy Impala SS 396 4spd Muncie 3.73 gears, 2003 Harley Softail with Rinehart exhaust Hidden Content

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