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    2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS
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    BY MICHAEL GAUTHIER | POSTED ON MAY 31, 2019




    Automakers typically introduce the standard model before rolling out performance variants, but Cadillac eschewed that tradition when they unveiled the CT4-V.

    The standard model will be introduced in about a month, but we have a pretty good idea of what to expect.

    Despite suggestions that the car would be smaller than the ATS, this isnít the case. The CT4-V measures 187.2 inches (4756 mm) long, 71.5 inches (1815 mm) wide and 56 inches (1423 mm) tall with a wheelbase that spans 109.3 inches (2775 mm). This means the CT4-V is 4.4 inches (112 mm) longer, 0.4 inches (10 mm) wider and 0.1 inches (3 mm) taller than the ATS sedan.
    Considering the wheelbase hasnít changed, itís not surprising to learn the CT4-V has about the same interior space as the ATS. Front seat occupants have 42.2 inches (1078 mm) of legroom and 38.4 inches (974 mm) of headroom. This means they lose 0.3 inches (8 mm) of legroom, but gain 0.2 inches (5 mm) of headroom.

    The ATSí back seat was often criticized for being cramped and those complaints will likely continue in the CT4. Legroom drops from 33.5 inches (851 mm) to 33.4 inches (848 mm), while headroom falls from 36.8 inches (935 mm) to 36.5 inches (928 mm).
    The CT4 continues to ride on the rear-wheel drive Alpha platform and the CT4-V tips the scales at approximately 3616 lbs (1640 kg). That means the car weighs 243 lbs (110 kg) more than the ATS with the turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine and 155 lbs (70 kg) more than the model equipped the 3.6-liter V6. However, we can expect the standard CT4 to be lighter than the CT4-V.

    The old 3.6-liter V6 is interesting to mention as it produced 335 hp (250 kW / 340 PS). This is 15 hp (11 kW / 15 PS) more than the turbocharged 2.7-liter four-cylinder in the CT4-V, but the new engine produces 369 lb-ft (500 Nm) of torque which is a significant increase over the V6ís 285 lb-ft (386 Nm)

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    That weird rear styling probably accounts for the increased length..a tenth of an increase is nothing as is the complaints of this article..

    Now if the article lambasted the weird overwrought styling....that we could get on board with..

    I hope this car sells for cadillac as they need unit sales...

    I just wouldnt touch it as i find it somewhat deformed looking.

    Maybe weird and possibly ugly sells...

    They must know what they are doing.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    That will be a huge miss if Cadillac didn't address the rear seat issues. Personally, I don't care about rear seat space, but adults can't fit their feet in the footwells. The back seat is not usable for adults. I'm sure that is a huge negative for potential buyers and a big piece for the ATS's failure in the marketplace.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS

    Length........................187.2".......182.8".....191.3"........195.5".........195.5"
    Wheelbase..................109.3"........109.3"....113.4"........114.6"..........114.8"
    Front Track...................59.5".........59.5"......61.8"..........61.6"............62.6"
    Rear track.....................60.9".........60.9.......62.2"..........62.2"............62.4"
    Width...........................71.5".........71.1"......72.5"..........72.2"............72.4"
    Height..........................56.0".........56.4"......58.0"..........57.2"............57.9"

    Horsepower...................320...........335.... ....304.............420..............415
    Torque..........................369...........285. .......273.............430..............415

    Interior Room - Front
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS
    Leg Room...................42.2".........42.2"........42.4"..........45.7"..........42.3"
    Head Room................38.4"..........38.6".......38.8"...........49.4"..........38.7"
    Hip Room...................53.0"..........53.0".......53.7"..........53.8"...........57.2"
    Shoulder Room...........55.2"..........55.2".......56.3"...........56.9"..........59.1"


    Interior Room - Rear
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS
    Leg Room.................33.4".........33.5"........36.1"...........35.4"...........39.7"
    Head Room...............36.8".........36.8"........37.2"...........37.5"...........37.5"
    Hip Room.................52.3".........52.3"........53.0"............53.3"...........58.0"
    Shoulder Room.........53.9".........53.9"........54.7"............54.8"...........59.0"
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    For some comparison
    Vehicle........................BMW 3..........Mercedes C......Mercedes A Sedan

    Length........................185,7"...........184,5". ..............179,1"
    Wheelbase..................112,2"...........111.8".................107,4"
    Front Track.................62,3"............62,5"....................61,7"
    Rear track..................62,9"..............-............................-
    Width........................71,9"............71,2 "....................70,7"
    Height.......................56,8"............56,8 "....................56,9"

    Interior Room - Front
    Vehicle........................BMW 3..........Mercedes C......Mercedes A
    Leg Room.....................42"..............41,7"................41,8"
    Head Room...................38,7"............37,1"................40,3"
    Shoulder Room..............56"..............55,3"................55,1"


    Interior Room - Rear
    Vehicle........................BMW 3..........Mercedes C......Mercedes A
    Leg Room.....................35,2"...........35,2".................33,9"
    Head Room...................37,6"...........37,1".................37,2 "
    Shoulder Room..............54,6"...........55"...................54"

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS

    Length........................187.2".......182.8".....191.3"........195.5".........195.5"
    Wheelbase..................109.3"........109.3"....113.4"........114.6"..........114.8"
    Front Track...................59.5".........59.5"......61.8"..........61.6"............62.6"
    Rear track.....................60.9".........60.9.......62.2"..........62.2"............62.4"
    Width...........................71.5".........71.1"......72.5"..........72.2"............72.4"
    Height..........................56.0".........56.4"......58.0"..........57.2"............57.9"

    Horsepower...................320...........335.... ....304.............420..............415
    Torque..........................369...........285. .......273.............430..............415

    Interior Room - Front
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS
    Leg Room...................42.2".........42.2"........42.4"..........45.7"..........42.3"
    Head Room................38.4"..........38.6".......38.8"...........49.4"..........38.7"
    Hip Room...................53.0"..........53.0".......53.7"..........53.8"...........57.2"
    Shoulder Room...........55.2"..........55.2".......56.3"...........56.9"..........59.1"


    Interior Room - Rear
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS
    Leg Room.................33.4".........33.5"........36.1"...........35.4"...........39.7"
    Head Room...............36.8".........36.8"........37.2"...........37.5"...........37.5"
    Hip Room.................52.3".........52.3"........53.0"............53.3"...........58.0"
    Shoulder Room.........53.9".........53.9"........54.7"............54.8"...........59.0"
    Remind me again why Alpha even exists.

    Both Sigma and Zeta produced more viable alternatives with more than enough performance to be competitive and appeal to buyers, yet GM found in necessary to dump Billions of $ into it not once but twice to "fix" it, then it comes out with a questionably styled model that does not address the AT4's main problem.

    Amazing!!

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by asrapid1 View Post
    For some comparison
    Vehicle........................BMW 3..........Mercedes C......Mercedes A Sedan

    Length........................185,7"...........184,5". ..............179,1"
    Wheelbase..................112,2"...........111.8".................107,4"
    Front Track.................62,3"............62,5"....................61,7"
    Rear track..................62,9"..............-............................-
    Width........................71,9"............71,2 "....................70,7"
    Height.......................56,8"............56,8 "....................56,9"

    Interior Room - Front
    Vehicle........................BMW 3..........Mercedes C......Mercedes A
    Leg Room.....................42"..............41,7"................41,8"
    Head Room...................38,7"............37,1"................40,3"
    Shoulder Room..............56"..............55,3"................55,1"


    Interior Room - Rear
    Vehicle........................BMW 3..........Mercedes C......Mercedes A
    Leg Room.....................35,2"...........35,2".................33,9"
    Head Room...................37,6"...........37,1".................37,2 "
    Shoulder Room..............54,6"...........55"...................54"
    So the CT-4 is not even close to it's main rivals in interior room even though every test between the ATS and the 3-Series and C-Class mentioned it as have most "Non-ATS" buyers when asked why they didn't buy one.

    Does GM have anyone who does market research???

    Anyone at all?

    Nobody cares what the 'Ring times are since only about 5% of owners will ever drive an ATS/CT-5, 3-Series or C-Class anywhere near the limits obtainable at a race track (which are much higher than what "normal" or even "aggressive" driving is on public roads), yet GM continues to prioritize them.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    I don't think the normal rear seat dimensions are the issue so much. While yes, they are smaller than the competition, they are workable (unless you are 6' 6" or 300 lbs). The real problem is your feet, they must be contorted to get them in and once in you are locked into place.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Here’s CT5-V for the upsell. Assuming pricing is in A/A3 range (which start around $32.5K) I have zero issue with CT4 space. In fact I hope they do a coupe some day. As I’ve said elsewhere, IMO the ATS Coupe is the best looking previous gen Caddy.

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    37.9 / 963 (rear)
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    Hip Room
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    53.7 / 1365 (rear)


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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS

    Length........................187.2".......182.8".....191.3"........195.5".........195.5"
    Wheelbase..................109.3"........109.3"....113.4"........114.6"..........114.8"
    Front Track...................59.5".........59.5"......61.8"..........61.6"............62.6"
    Rear track.....................60.9".........60.9.......62.2"..........62.2"............62.4"
    Width...........................71.5".........71.1"......72.5"..........72.2"............72.4"
    Height..........................56.0".........56.4"......58.0"..........57.2"............57.9"

    Horsepower...................320...........335.... ....304.............420..............415
    Torque..........................369...........285. .......273.............430..............415

    Interior Room - Front
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS
    Leg Room...................42.2".........42.2"........42.4"..........45.7"..........42.3"
    Head Room................38.4"..........38.6".......38.8"...........49.4"..........38.7"
    Hip Room...................53.0"..........53.0".......53.7"..........53.8"...........57.2"
    Shoulder Room...........55.2"..........55.2".......56.3"...........56.9"..........59.1"


    Interior Room - Rear
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS
    Leg Room.................33.4".........33.5"........36.1"...........35.4"...........39.7"
    Head Room...............36.8".........36.8"........37.2"...........37.5"...........37.5"
    Hip Room.................52.3".........52.3"........53.0"............53.3"...........58.0"
    Shoulder Room.........53.9".........53.9"........54.7"............54.8"...........59.0"
    Quote Originally Posted by asrapid1 View Post
    For some comparison
    Vehicle........................BMW 3..........Mercedes C......Mercedes A Sedan

    Length........................185,7"...........184,5". ..............179,1"
    Wheelbase..................112,2"...........111.8".................107,4"
    Front Track.................62,3"............62,5"....................61,7"
    Rear track..................62,9"..............-............................-
    Width........................71,9"............71,2 "....................70,7"
    Height.......................56,8"............56,8 "....................56,9"

    Interior Room - Front
    Vehicle........................BMW 3..........Mercedes C......Mercedes A
    Leg Room.....................42"..............41,7"................41,8"
    Head Room...................38,7"............37,1"................40,3"
    Shoulder Room..............56"..............55,3"................55,1"


    Interior Room - Rear
    Vehicle........................BMW 3..........Mercedes C......Mercedes A
    Leg Room.....................35,2"...........35,2".................33,9"
    Head Room...................37,6"...........37,1".................37,2 "
    Shoulder Room..............54,6"...........55"...................54"
    So...are we all in agreement that the CT4 is sized segment-wise w/ the C/3 and not the A/1? The CT5 is still a E/5 competitor and isn't compact. 192" of overall length is not compact. So with all that said, will these cars show tails to the C43 and E43? Probably not.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by SierraGS View Post
    Remind me again why Alpha even exists.

    Both Sigma and Zeta produced more viable alternatives with more than enough performance to be competitive and appeal to buyers, yet GM found in necessary to dump Billions of $ into it not once but twice to "fix" it, then it comes out with a questionably styled model that does not address the AT4's main problem.

    Amazing!!

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    In a word for sigma, weight. Sigma was very porky. Not sure about zeta weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagon11 View Post
    In a word for sigma, weight. Sigma was very porky. Not sure about zeta weight.
    I thought too that Sigma was not AWD capable.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    CT4 and CT5 are pretty much identical in size to the ATS and CTS. GM's claim now is based on interior volume and lower pricing they compete in segments one step lower.

    Which is why I expect the CT4/5 V+, V-squared, V-Max or whatever they call them are not going to be at the power levels the previous Vs were at.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V Is Larger Outside, Smaller Inside Than ATS

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS

    Length........................187.2".......182.8".....191.3"........195.5".........195.5"
    Wheelbase..................109.3"........109.3"....113.4"........114.6"..........114.8"
    Front Track...................59.5".........59.5"......61.8"..........61.6"............62.6"
    Rear track.....................60.9".........60.9.......62.2"..........62.2"............62.4"
    Width...........................71.5".........71.1"......72.5"..........72.2"............72.4"
    Height..........................56.0".........56.4"......58.0"..........57.2"............57.9"

    Horsepower...................320...........335.... ....304.............420..............415
    Torque..........................369...........285. .......273.............430..............415

    Interior Room - Front
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS
    Leg Room...................42.2".........42.2"........42.4"..........45.7"..........42.3"
    Head Room................38.4"..........38.6".......38.8"...........49.4"..........38.7"
    Hip Room...................53.0"..........53.0".......53.7"..........53.8"...........57.2"
    Shoulder Room...........55.2"..........55.2".......56.3"...........56.9"..........59.1"


    Interior Room - Rear
    Vehicle.........................CT4..........ATS.. ....2011 CTS ...2018 CTS....2017 SS
    Leg Room.................33.4".........33.5"........36.1"...........35.4"...........39.7"
    Head Room...............36.8".........36.8"........37.2"...........37.5"...........37.5"
    Hip Room.................52.3".........52.3"........53.0"............53.3"...........58.0"
    Shoulder Room.........53.9".........53.9"........54.7"............54.8"...........59.0"
    I have a friend whose SS was just totaled in an accident. I feel bad for him. He likes the CTS-V. I wonder if he'll be sold on a CT5-V?

    I'm definitely not recommending he buys anything Cadillac or GM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    That will be a huge miss if Cadillac didn't address the rear seat issues. Personally, I don't care about rear seat space, but adults can't fit their feet in the footwells. The back seat is not usable for adults. I'm sure that is a huge negative for potential buyers and a big piece for the ATS's failure in the marketplace.
    I didn't buy an ATS for because the back seats were so bad so I'm obviously out for a CT4.

    GM never learns.

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