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    GMI Winners and Losers of 2004

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    Winner- Chevrolet's American Revolution Advertising

    Chevrolet's American Revolution advertising starts the new year off on a high note for the General...at least till the customeres went to a Chevy showroom.

    Loser- GM Introduces New CSV Vans

    Always one for making you say "What are they thinking?", GM doubles it's minivan line to four models with Buick and Saturn getting models. The new CSV's (Continuously ****************ty Vans?) are still on the same platform as the Dustbuster Lumina vans of the early 90's. How's the styling? If the precrashtested look is you thing...GM is you company!

    Winner- Ford Mustang Fans

    2005 bought the first new Mustang in 20+ Years. The car is an instant hit with Mustang fans and Ford scores a PR hit.

    Loser- Chevrolet Camaro Fans

    Email GM if you want a new Camaro. You may just get an email back saying that GM cares, and there may be a Camaro in the future, however in the meantime you can buy such sporty alternatives as the Pontiac Vibe.


    Winner- C6 Corvette is an Instant Hit

    Chevrolet released the new C6 Corvette to great fanfare and dealer markups. History is made....you know the rest.

    Loser- GM Hunts Down Source of Z06 Leaks

    Chevrolet not wanting it's NAIAS/Magazine thunder stolen goes after several websites and sends investigators to peoples houses trying to find the source of the leaked images of the new Z06. GM lables GMI and pretty much every Corvette enthusiast site out there (with a more than a combined 100,000 members) as "rouge" websites. The "rouge websites" members then band togethor and make a vowel to buy only Toyota vehicles from now on. Toyota issues an unintelligable press release on the subject talking about "world domination" and a "giant laser" .

    Winner- Ford Interior Design
    The 2004 F-150 continues Ford's leadership in interior design. While some interiors are great like the Navigator/Aviator, even the boring ones (Five Hundred/Freestyle) are unoffensive enough to not affect your buying decision.

    Loser- GM Interior DesignGM still has several vehicles with interiors unlgy enough to make you not buy their vehicle. Even new vehicles such as the Buick LaCrosse with it's "land o' small buttons" interior leave you scratching your head. It will be a public relations nightmare when elderly LaCrosse buyers get in an accidents trying to turn up the heat. Vehicles such as the Equinox provide hope, it will take substansial effort for GM to make up lost ground.


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    Winner - Cadillac STS
    A clear work of genious showcasing Cadillac's commitment to luxury. A car that can truly compete with Germany's best.

    Loser - Pontiac G6
    Car that received great press at first, then attacked after being showcased on Oprah's show where each recipient had to pay taxes for their "free" car. Also includes a performance-cutting, class-leading* 200HP V6.
    *when compared to other manufacturers' 160HP 4-cylinders; excludes current GM vehicles

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    Winner- Chrysler 300/Dodge Magnum
    First huge hit Chrysler had since Corinthian Leather in the Cordoba, and Dodge takes the idea of a station wagon, and flips it on its head with a nightmarish Hemi engine. Both bring back the idea of RWD performance to daily drivers. 300's became a economical Bentley, and the Rappers bought them by the handful, while the Magnum became the station wagon that Dad wanted.

    Loser- The other Big 2
    For those who didnt think that a big American styled, RWD, V8 powerd cars would be a huge hit, and now they look like they are behind the trend. They watched and put out attempts to slow down the press bonanza going for the DCX cars. *Note to GM: Make suer that 24 inch rims will fit under the Zeta sedan body work*

    Winner- 05 GTO and 05 SSR
    Both vehicles now come with enough wet-your-pants power, that they can please any enthusiast. SSR gets a 6spd manual for thoes who want to row thier own making it the hottest hard top hot rod out there, and the GTO gets all the scoops, swoops, body kits in wings to satisfy the inner-ricer in all of us.

    Loser- 04 GTO and 04 SSR
    The 04 GTO came in against the current of P.O'ed Fbody fans, as well as die-hard GTO fans, claiming it looked like a 2dr sedan, with understated looks and that it blended in to Pontiacs line up. To them, it wasnt a GTO, it was just another waste of time from GM.
    The 04 SSR comes in after years and years showing its stuff in the auto shows. After years of antisipation of this truck, GM pulls out its supercharged 5.3 and later 350hp 6.0 engine, and drops in a left over aluminum 5.3 from the GMT-360's packing 300hp. This dissapoints many, and combined with years of getting old on the show circuit, it becomes a lack-luster vehicle, in the long line of retro-inspired "hot rods".
    Both suffer dealer mark up, which helps kill off anyone that was left that had the money to buy it, leading to sales below expected.

    Winner- Chevy Cobalt
    Chevy finaly gets into the game with a NEW compact car! One that is antisipated by future owners, and there are people waiting, cash in hand for one! Offering great interior quality, and healing the pain of years upon years of the Cavi sitting on lots, virtualy unchanged for 20 years.

    Loser- Ford Focus
    Ford finaly gets a new chassis for the Focus! BUT, for Europe only. The new Focus continues on with its older chassis, as Ford comes up with excuses on why they couldnt use the new Mazda3 platform. Why spend all that money on making a better and more modern Focus when it can put put in to a supercar?
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    Re: GMI Winners and Losers of 2004

    Nice idea, Branden! Here's another pair:

    Loser: Pontiac introduces an Equinox rebadge (Torrent) and a Pontiac executive cites it as: "Pontiac's commitment to total performance."


    Winner: Pontiac Solstice makes it to production form without much deviation from the concept.
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    Re: GMI Winners and Losers of 2004

    Here's one...

    Winner - Cadillac STS
    A clear work of genious showcasing Cadillac's commitment to luxury. A car that can truly compete with Germany's best.

    Loser - Pontiac G6
    Car that received great press at first, then attacked after being showcased on Oprah's show where each recipient had to pay taxes for their "free" car. Also includes a performance-cutting, class-leading* 200HP V6.
    *when compared to other manufacturers' 160HP 4-cylinders; excludes current GM vehicles

    2007 BMW 328i. Black sapphire metallic. Terra leather. Poplar wood. Automatic trans. Xenon adaptive headlights. BMW Assist. Bluetooth. Premium package. Heated seats. iDrive navigation system. Rear sonar. Comfort access. LOGIC7 surround sound. Sirius. 18" BMW wheels. Rear spoiler.

    2006 Suzuki Grand Vitara Luxury. Black onyx pearl. Beige leather. 4WD. Chrome hood vents, mirror covers, exhaust. Silver grille, taillight trim. Brushed metal bumper protector. Running boards.

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    Ahahah...giant lazer..."we will call it the Allen-Parsin Project"
    What, no mention of the 300?

    Winner- Chrysler 300/Dodge Magnum
    First huge hit Chrysler had since Corinthian Leather in the Cordoba, and Dodge takes the idea of a station wagon, and flips it on its head with a nightmarish Hemi engine. Both bring back the idea of RWD performance to daily drivers. 300's became a economical Bentley, and the Rappers bought them by the handful, while the Magnum became the station wagon that Dad wanted.
    Loser- The other Big 2
    For thoes who didnt think that a big American styled, RWD, V8 powerd cars would be a huge hit, and now they look like they are behind the trend. They watched and put out attempts to slow down the press bonanza going for the DCX cars. *Note to GM: Make suer that 24 inch rims will fit under the Zeta sedan body work*

    Winner- 05 GTO and 05 SSR
    Both vehicles now come with enough wet-your-pants power, that they can please any enthusiast. SSR gets a 6spd manual for thoes who want to row thier own making it the hottest hard top hot rod out there, and the GTO gets all the scoops, swoops, body kits in wings to satisfy the inner-ricer in all of us.
    Loser- 04 GTO and 04 SSR
    The 04 GTO came in against the current of P.O'ed Fbody fans, as well as die-hard GTO fans, claiming it looked like a 2dr sedan, with understated looks and that it blended in to Pontiacs line up. To them, it wasnt a GTO, it was just another waste of time from GM.
    The 04 SSR comes in after years and years showing its stuff in the auto shows. After years of antisipation of this truck, GM pulls out its supercharged 5.3 and later 350hp 6.0 engine, and drops in a left over aluminum 5.3 from the GMT-360's packing 300hp. This dissapoints many, and combined with years of getting old on the show circuit, it becomes a lack-luster vehicle, in the long line of retro-inspired "hot rods".
    Both suffer dealer mark up, which helps kill off anyone that was left that had the money to buy it, leading to sales below expected.
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    Re: GMI Winners and Losers of 2004

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    Winner- Chevrolet Cobalt

    Because its cool....
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    Winner- Chevy Cobalt
    Chevy finaly gets into the game with a NEW compact car! One that is antisipated by future owners, and there are people waiting, cash in hand for one! Offering great interior quality, and healing the pain of years upon years of the Cavi sitting on lots, virtualy unchanged for 20 years.

    Loser- Ford Focus
    Ford finaly gets a new chassis for the Focus! BUT, for Europe only. The new Focus continues on with its older chassis, as Ford comes up with excuses on why they couldnt use the new Mazda3 platform. Why spend all that money on making a better and more modern Focus when it can put put in to a supercar?
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    Winner:
    Hummer for adding the H3 to it's lineup esentially shutting the mouths of tree-huggers everywhere.

    Loser:
    GMT360's for their horrible EPA fuel mileage *The revolutionary 4200 DOHC I-6 engine gives you the power of a larger, more fuel consuming V8 but at the efficiency and packaging of a six cylinder*

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    Ghrankenstein's 2004 GM Winners and Losers

    Winner:
    GM Powertrain- These guys rule, and despite a general lack of credit, they build a whole bunch of different engines, and most of them compete at a world-class level. The HF V-6 engines, and the expanding Ecotec lineup are at the forefront of both whiz-bang tech and acclaim, but they also keep advancing the case for pushrods.


    Loser:
    The Environmentalist Left- The hypocrisy here is unbelievable, starting with the singling-out of the Hummer H2, and the Prius-fronting celebrity quotient that goes so far as to call non-Prius drivers “jerks.” I doubt that any them ever considered how much more gas would be saved if everyone drove Malibus instead of Accords and Camrys in contrast to the amount saved if H2 owners drove Sequoias or Armadas. Similarly, none blast the Toyota Tundra and Nissan Titan for their deficiency versus the Silverado and Sierra. Since many of them own Ferraris and Vipers, these vehicles never get criticized for being able to carry two people with the same efficiency as the H2 carries six. Meanwhile, the C6 is the only 400 horsepower passenger car available with no gas-guzzler tax. I could probably count the number of celebrities who understand the environmental benefits of GM-pioneered technologies, such as lost-foam casting and hydroforming, on my genitals.

    Winner:
    Saturn- If Buick seeks to emulate Lexus, then it appears Saturn has its sights set on yesteryear’s Volkswagen. Yes, they don’t have a whole lot now, but their Relay is the most highly regarded of the CSV’s, and their handsome pending Kappa-body roadster will go a long way toward building the brand. The ION and VUE started out on the wrong foot, but they’ve been improved drastically, even if one of them did swallow a Honda engine. Saturn’s going to be getting some serious product to complement their dealership experience.

    Loser:
    Saab- Saab was once the “Little, Yellow, Different” of the automotive world. If there ever was a brand revision gone terribly wrong, Saab is it. The 9-3 has certainly won its share of praise, but it hasn’t come from the Saab fanatics. Many have criticized the CSV’s of “not fooling anyone,” but the best example of non-foolery is the 9-2. As nice as it might be, a GMT360 isn’t going to change things.


    Winner:
    Chevrolet Cobalt- The Cobalt not only has it, but Chevy’s done a phenomenal job promoting it, and it’s a drastic enough improvement that potential buyers are willing to look past the Cavalier. Interior and exterior styling might be the biggest appeal, but the most important cause championed by the Cobalt is safety: side-curtain airbags, OnStar, anti-lock brakes, and a 27mHz body structure are worthy compromises for a little extra weight.

    Loser:
    Ford Focus- After its initial stumbling, Ford did well in offering its weirdly appealing, worldly handling, versatility having Focus. For 2004, though, they took away the goofball cult quotient and replaced it with a “distinctive” Taurus-like wrapper. Mazda made out like a bandit with newer underpinnings and sporty masculine styling. Light-bulb worshippers and spray-string handlers need something to drive too. Saab lost it, the Focus lost it, and Subarus all have the ignition switch in the correct place. That won’t do.



    Winner:
    VW’s electric power steering- It might be bias, but the press has praised VW’s system for its accurate simulation of roadfeel, and especially for its built-in ability to manage torque-steer in front-wheel drive vehicles.


    Loser:
    GM’s electric power steering- I haven’t had much problem with how GM’s EPS cars drive, but I can definitely agree that “razor-sharp” is not a good descriptor for this setup. If GM’s EPS has an advantage over the VW’s, it’s that many people report that it turns “really well” to the left.

    Winner:
    Chevrolet Aveo- 5-star frontal crash safety rating.

    Loser:
    Kia Spectra 5- 1-star frontal crash safety rating.

    Winner:
    Theta Platform- Not just 5-stars in front, all passengers get five-star protection from the sides. Theta is strong, and it seems easy to mold into various different shapes and sizes that look different. Drop in a 3400 V6, and we all can start shaking our heads and asking, “Why?” It’s not Theta’s fault.


    Loser:
    GMT360- If the Theta is a great platform in search of an engine, then the GMT360’s are great engines in search of a truck. In 2002, the TrailBlazer, Envoy, and Bravada, were the fastest, most sophisticated, and best-looking midsize SUV’s in the bread-and-butter market. Then they started getting recalled, owners started reporting all kinds of problems, and the long-wheelbase version was considered awkward looking by most. The Vortec 4200, at 275 hp, has remained in Ward’s Ten Best auto engines since its introduction, and it’s a work of art to drive and experience. Despite the strength of the engine, quality concerns and inferior interior materials have hurt the 360’s reputation. Expanding the lineup to Buick and Saab, each with strong reputations for quality, probably wasn't the best move.

    Winner:
    Suzuki- Give a company with deep pockets, and a history of ingenuity, some old Daewoos to play with, and what do you get? Very attractive, inexpensive cars that people feel proud to own, rather than feeling like they’re settling for something less. I mentioned cult vehicles earlier; in Suzuki, the Eclectic Order of Dagon has a reason to rejoice, other than looming global madness and mutating into fish. That reason is the Aerio, whose owners are typically fanatics. The SX hatchback has an organizer beneath the cargo area’s floor, with an assortment of bins and pockets, and a little removable bucket that is perfect for a wacky driver who needs to carry his collection of shiny objects wherever he goes.

    Loser:
    Isuzu- Dear Isuzu. Thank you very much for the Duramax diesel engine. We enjoy it a lot. You used to have a bunch of cars for sale, but now you don’t. As a token of our appreciation, we would like to present you with a GMT360. Sincerely, GM. P.S. Your big trucks are good.

    Suzuki is the fastest growing car brand in the U.S. Isuzu, on the other hand, is the sinking canoe in that Three Stooges episode where Curley keeps trying to bail out water long after it’s gone under.

    Winner:
    Satellite Radio- No commercials, coast-to-coast tuning, and entire stations dedicated to the exact sub-genre you feel like hearing. So which is better? It’s up to you. Sirius has Howard Stern. XM has Opie and Anthony. Sirius has the NFL and the NBA. XM has MLB and, theoretically, the NHL. The clincher, for me, is XMLiquidMetal, but that’s just me.

    Loser:
    Satellite Navigation- Take a DVD screen, and put it smack in the middle of the dash, or, if you’re really sadistic, mount it about midway up in the center stack. If that DVD screen shows Spongebob Squarepants, it’s dangerously illegal. If it shows a detailed roadmap, it’s handy and convenient. Yes, many of them tell you when and where to turn, and yes, most of them are more intuitive than the average VCR, but I’ve yet to find a reason to pay two grand extra for something that works about as good as a Road Atlas and MapQuest directions.

    Winner:
    Remote start- The ability to get into a waiting car, with a warm engine, and a comfortable interior temperature from up to 200 feet away is almost as inspiring as the ability to stand right next to the car, with a friend, and say, “Hey, check this out.”

    Loser:
    Keyless access- Unlocking a car door, putting the key in the ignition, and turning said key just isn’t very hard. Give me an easy solution to something difficult, not to something that’s already easy.
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    Re: GMI Winners and Losers of 2004

    Quote Originally Posted by TaHoE
    Winner:
    Hummer for adding the H3 to it's lineup esentially shutting the mouths of tree-huggers everywhere.

    Loser:
    GMT360's for their horrible EPA fuel mileage *The revolutionary 4200 DOHC I-6 engine gives you the power of a larger, more fuel consuming V8 but at the efficiency and packaging of a six cylinder*
    Actually, the 275 hp 4.2L 360's get better gas mileage than their Ford and Dodge counterparts, and they do out-power the V-8's. The much smaller 185 hp XL7 gets the same gas mileage, and the Hyundai Santa Fe gets worse.

    I have no gripes whatsoever with the 4200. I think the Vortec 3500's claim to "6 cylinder power, 4 cylinder gas mileage" is a lot closer to hooey.

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    Winner - Internet "Insider" Forums
    Websites such as GMI are quickly becoming the leading source of information about future products, despite efforts of automakers including embargoes, elaborate camo, legal action and much more. 05 GTO specs, Z06 pics, Dodge Charger spyshots, and press pics of three Ford concepts floating about on the net nearly one month early are just the tip of the iceburg.

    Loser - Auto Magazines & Car Makers
    Why buy the new Feb issue Car and Driver in December when you've already seen all the super top secret ZO6 pics a month earlier? It's certainly not to read their "news" sections - news which was posted on GMI in September! Access to information is the beauty of the internet and those with an interest in controlling access to information (automakers and magazines) are the big losers when sites like this one and others like it are mentioned. That said, automakers also use these sites for their own purposes, to evaluate response to concepts, and of course, find out about what the competition is doing.

    Losers - Technology Saturation
    Our cars are becoming increasingly laden with unnecessary technology. BMW, once praised for the excellent driver feedback of its designs, is now ripped not just for its Banglized styling, but for it's technology overkill - electronic steering, everything-by-wire, and of course iDrive. What was once the "ultimate driving machine" is now a colllection of ugly computers masquerading as automobiles.

    Loser - Volkswagen & Audi
    The Paheton is a disaster. Quality problems abound. The new Jetta looks like the old Carolla. The new Audi grille is horrible. I could go on and on and on.

    Loser - Jaguar
    Jaguar is a mess, the X-type isn't what the PAG hoped for, the new XJ is great, but is underpowered in comparison to the competition, and you can hardly tell it from the old XJ. The S-type is nice but not nice enough. The exchange rate is killing them, and they still can't find that diamond! The Formula One team is no more, oh and did I mention all the millions of dollars they're losing.

    Winner - Station Wagons (but whatever you do DON'T call them station wagons!
    The Magnum, Malibu Maxx, Ford Freestlye, SRX all aren't "station wagons" but they're really all just "station wagons". Everything old is new again.

    Loser - Historic Nameplates
    Olds is gone. The Dodge Charger is now a four door sedan. The Ford Fairlane is now a Land Rover clone SUV, the Camaro is still dead, and the GTO & Thunderbird still aren't selling.

    Winner - Retro done right
    Ford is selling Mustangs as fast as they can make em. The Mini Cooper is still hot hot hot, the PT, despite being and old design is still selling well, though not at the insane levels of old. The Chrysler 300 hits the sweet spot where retro style meets modern design.

    Loser - Buick's "Dream Up" campaign
    If paired with a car as breathtaking as the fashion model and her gowns, this might be a good campaign, but the advertising guys can only work with the products they're given. A warmed over sedan that looks like it belongs on the rental lot is not "aspirational"

    Loser - Lincoln designers
    If you're going to do a concept version of a car, either make it so wild that it won't look anything like the acutal product, or make it a virtual clone of the real thing. What NOT to do is what you did with the Zephyr concept - which looked not only great, but it looked virtually production ready, and then, when some really poorly done press pics of the production model were leaked on the net, it was a terrible let down. It's not that the car looked that bad, or that different from the concept, but it clearly wasn't as good, with the higher cowl and trunk, big tailights and decklid. If the concept hadn't been so **************** beautiful, the production version would have looked a lot better.

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    Re: GMI Winners and Losers of 2004

    Here's some more

    Winner - rebadging
    GM has given new life to this "oldest profession" in the auto biz with Saab clones of Subarus and GMCs, Chevy clones of Daewoos, and on an on and on. Ford follows suit by continuing in the long tradition of giving Mercury vehicles distinctive grilles and headlights (sometimes) and Ford everything else. Oh, and need I mention the Lincoln "Mark" LT?

    Winner - AWD
    More and more vehicles are coming with AWD options, and not just SUVs. Ford seems to be on the AWD kick with the Five Hundred and Montego, and Freestyle DCX with the LX - expect more and more of this in the year to come

    Winner - Pontiac
    GM stylists, once the best in the world, are now able to take a nice platform and make it ugly (Malibu) but somehow, they left out the ugly with the new G6, and upcoming Solstice. Too bad some of that doesn't rub off on Chevy designs!

    Loser - Coupes
    DCX says no to two door models, GM's Monaro, er, GTO isn't selling well, and there's not much else with two doors and more than two seats in the vast GM stable. That and when pressed about what the General has to compete against the Mustang, a GM exec came up with one of the lamest responses ever - something to the effect of "well, we have the Cobalt Coupe and the Monte Carlo and they compete with the Mustang just fine" - (in his dreams!). Ford's Mustang is the one bright spot in the coupe business, though for some reason Honda and Toyota still manage to make coupe versions of their bread and butter sedans. Let's hope 2005 and beyond will see a return of the 2 door, 4 seat coupes of yesterday.

    Winner - Hyundai
    What used to be considered a low quality cheap car with a good warranty not only tops the sales charts, but also the quality reports as well. New upmarket designs are released as concepts, and the company has it's sights set squarely on Toyota and Honda.

    Winner - Hybrids
    Last year's Prius is still this year's hot seller, and Ford joins the ranks with the first domestic full hybrid, and full hybrid SUV. Toyota does miss a step, as it has to push back the release of it's hybrid SUV. GM and DCX announce plans to get into the game, but their "mild" hybrids trucks are about as exciting as "mild" salsa.

    Losers - The Dying Brands
    Olds is now officially dead. Isuzu and Mitshubishi are on life support. Saab is in intensive care, and Mercury and Saturn may be checking out of the hospital, but hardly with a clean bill of health.

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    Re: GMI Winners and Losers of 2004

    From the European perspective:

    Winner - Opel Astra C
    The new Astra is in essence just a thorough revamp of the previous model, but this brought improvement in almost every aspect - sharp, distnictive styling, upscale interior, lots of room, equipment you'd expect from a car two classes bigger (and more expensive), six-speed manual transmission, and, as usual great handling. To compliment that, there's a Caravan that's for the first time spacious AND great-looking, and the GTS, which is much more of a sports coupe than the usual 3-door hatch you'd expect from a compact car. Astra is getting almost unanimously positive reviews and borught hope for a real Opel reviwal.
    The Europeans feel quite sorry for the poor Americans, who only got a watered-down version called "Chevrolet Cobalt", but they don't seem to mind. And hopefully they will finally get the fabolous Astra wearing their obscure nameplate "Saturn"

    Loser - VW Golf V
    Once a standard-setter for the entire class, the Golf lost its lead in its IVth generation. However Golf IV was two steps behind newer competitors, the V is still one step behind. Nothing really new or revolutionary, bland styling, high prices and... poor sales. Fastest facelift for a VW ever, and VW dealers disenchanted on discounts they had to offer on a all-new model. At the same time, the new Skoda Octavia built on the same platform gets great reviews, and auto journalist often comment on the purpose of buying a Golf, when the Octavia offers all it has + more. What is worse, twin sedan model Jetta got uglier than ever and does not seem to evoke much enthusiasm on the American market, where it used to be VW's sales engine.

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    Re: GMI Winners and Losers of 2004

    Winner - Those of us that were able to take advantage and buy a GTO for the price of a loaded Cobalt!

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    Re: GMI Winners and Losers of 2004

    Winner- New LS2
    One of the most powerful V8 engines from the general and still GM is able keeps MPG low. Class leading performance and world respect the LS2 was spread though out GM's line up. It found it's way into the 05 GTO, SSR, Corvette and the Concept Colorado SS.

    Loser- Old LS1
    Also just as great of an engine as the LS2 but GM found the LS2 to be better in every way. So the LS1 was dropped from the GM line up except from the CTS-V. The only GM to hold the LS1 under the hood.

    Winner-Aveo
    Best selling car in it's class and best crash ratings in it's class. Aveo exceeds sales numbers set by GM. Against critics reviews the Aveo becomes successful even when they say its better to cough up alittle more dough for a Focus.

    Loser-Echo
    As the days go by the tin can of a car called the Echo is questioned by Toyota for it purpose in their line up. The Echos siblings Celica, MR2 dropped from the us buyers as the Echo is stuck between redesign or being dropped. Slow sales and Toyota rep at risk from this low quality and almost Tercel like Compact car.

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