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HOLY COW! Algae oil market about to explode!

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#1 · (Edited)
Please don't merge this with my Alternative Fuels Update thread.

According to the National Biodiesel Board, American biodiesel production has gone from 20 million gallons to 225 million gallons in the past three years. The capacity is much higher. The U.S. has the capacity to make 1.39 billion gallons of biodiesel per year. So why aren't we making more? Simple: the overwhelming percentage of biodiesel comes from soybean oil. When soybeans get too expensive, biodiesel producers cannot make biodiesel cheaply enough to sell it, so they shut plants down.

The foregoing economics have no effect on biodiesel made from algae oil. Because there is no demand for algae oil other than for the production of biodiesel, the only limiting factor for the production of algae biodiesel is the production of algae oil. So here is the big news: PetroSun has announced that within the next three years, it plans to start producing 2.56 Billion gallons of algae oil per year! That is 11 times America's total biodiesel production in 2006. From 1 company. In 3 years. From algae!!!

But that is only half the news. Soy oil is currently selling for $2.81 per gallon. This is why the biodiesel industry needs tax subsidies. PetroSun plans on selling algae oil at a price to shadow petro oil plus transit cost. Today, petro oil is selling for $72/barrel. Using PetroSun's formula, it would sell its algae oil for $1.71 per gallon -- 60% of the price of soy oil!!! No subsidies needed.

To put this in perspective, the U.S. consumes about 63 billion gallons of diesel fuel per year. (There are 42 gallons in a barrel. Figures shown are in thousands of barrels.) Therefore, in 3 years, one company is going to replace 4% of the nation's diesel with algae biodiesel.

And remember - there are several other companies aggressively trying to do the same thing. While not at the multi-billion gallon per year producton level yet, Imperium is close. There is no reason to doubt that we are on the verge of a true energy revolution.




[Note: to avoid confusion, read here that 10 gallons of soy oil produces 10 gallons of biodiesel. It is not like petro oil, where a 42 gallon barrel of oil produces only around 7 gallons of petro diesel.]
 
#2 ·
And if that were not enough, here is a story about a single company that plans to quadruple America's biodiesel production in the next two years. America produced 225 million gallons of biodiesel in 2006. Renewable Energy Group, Inc., plans to produce 640 million gallons of biodiesel itself by 2009.
 
#4 ·
wonderful news Ron! Algal oil really IS the way to go.....fed by sunlight and brackish/foul water, does NOT use edible food crops (that themselves are very energy intensive to produce), can be grown on wastelands useless for crops and wildlife, plus likely produces proteins useful as animal feed and its wastes are likely good soil amendments.
 
#5 ·
this is amazing news. once this one company starts to really go, imagine how many others will try to follow. i wonder how long before 20% of our diesel fuel is biodiesel? ...50%? ...all of it? (no more "terrorist juice" as Ron calls it; i can't wait).
 
#6 ·
Algae are just the most wonderful little dudes. You got something you don't want, and you can fine some of these guys who not only eat it up like candy, but poop out something that you need.

Plus, they have some cousins called yeasts that make beer out of malted barley. If -I- could do that... doooooood....

Ghrank
 
#7 ·
ronald mcretard said:
i wonder how long before 20% of our diesel fuel is biodiesel? ...50%? ...all of it? (no more "terrorist juice" as Ron calls it; i can't wait).
It will probably be another 5-10 years before production is at levels high enough to supplant enough regular diesel to warrant an across the board B20 standard.
 
#10 ·
I like the idea of algae as a fuel source much more than corn...I'm not sure that it's the sole culprit but lately grain prices have rose quit significantly.

The horse farm my girlfriend works on is having to pay so much more for grain now that their hardly making a profit anymore at the current prices they charge for training and boarding. It's not just them either, I've been hearing this story come up all around my part of southern Kentucky.

Right now the farmers are already hit hard with a drought that has claimed many crops...this is why I see the use of corn for E85 as a double edged sword. You can't say it helps all the farmers in America because this a popular perception that is not true!
 
#11 ·
IROCNROL1 said:
To be more cynical than pessimistic, I wonder if someone is working feverishly to turn algae into a food source so they can complain about fueling cars with it.
As a botanist I feel certain that algae contains a fair amount of protein......this could not be transformed into oil as that is a hydrocarbon, and it is very unlikely it could be fermented into ethanol as that requires a carbohydrate....so I think it is likely that algal biodiesel will produce protein as a "waste product". I can imagine it being used as animal feed, or added to the TVP I eat a lot of anyway as a semi-vegetarian, or maybe just added to any protein based foods like frozen burger patties, etc. All in all this is one of the most exciting developments to come about in quite some time in terms of solving several issues at once. But then again I tend to be the perennial optimist in spite of it all...sure beats the self perpetuating gloomy pessimism of my early 20s!
 
#12 · (Edited)
This was a good read Ron -- I'm not sure if I understand all of the technical stuff since I'd want to better understand how algae oil is obtained from regular algae -- but it certainly is promising.

But certainly the most important thing is to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and become more energy independent from solely a strategic perspective. If some folks in congress wont let us drill for oil domestically, produce more nuclear power, establish plants with clean-coal technology, etc. then perhaps they'll be more inclind to allow THIS type of measure moving forward. I don't understand how they can talk out of both sides of their faces at once....

Thanks for posting it...
 
#13 ·
Algae oil always seemed like the best biofuel option for the united states. The only issue now is to get more of our fleet using diesel instead of gasoline. While ethanol may not be the best solution, combining it with a lot of biodiesel out in the market place should hopefully reduce oil consumption on all fronts. The only thing i worry about, if biofuels truely take hold, is that oil will fall back down to a price where these options aren't viable anymore and people go back.
 
#14 ·
HoosierRon said:
I am skeptical. The company in question has a market cap of under 10 million dollars. Their "actions" thus far seem to be limited to issuing a press release announcing plans to pursue patents and do demonstrations. I wish them the best of luck, but it looks as though this outfit is desperately trying to raise money through hype. If they were three years away from being a major player, I would think they would have their patents already, capital raised etc.

Market cap
 
#16 ·
johnstarnes said:
As a botanist I feel certain that algae contains a fair amount of protein......this could not be transformed into oil as that is a hydrocarbon, and it is very unlikely it could be fermented into ethanol as that requires a carbohydrate....so I think it is likely that algal biodiesel will produce protein as a "waste product". I can imagine it being used as animal feed, or added to the TVP I eat a lot of anyway as a semi-vegetarian, or maybe just added to any protein based foods like frozen burger patties, etc. All in all this is one of the most exciting developments to come about in quite some time in terms of solving several issues at once. But then again I tend to be the perennial optimist in spite of it all...sure beats the self perpetuating gloomy pessimism of my early 20s!
No offense, but that sounds scary/disgusting to me. I don't want to eat something that grew in brackish water, was used to make biodiesel and then a byproduct of that process will be used for food.
 
#17 ·
uncledestroy said:
I am skeptical. The company in question has a market cap of under 10 million dollars. Their "actions" thus far seem to be limited to issuing a press release announcing plans to pursue patents and do demonstrations. I wish them the best of luck, but it looks as though this outfit is desperately trying to raise money through hype. If they were three years away from being a major player, I would think they would have their patents already, capital raised etc.

Market cap
They look like they have 24.5 million in the bank. How much does it cost to buy cheap land, set up tanks and start a algae cycle? How much does it cost for the catalyst machinery? I think the biggest issue with all these companies is who is going to do the distribution? I already know that the POS's are clamoring for being able to put a sign up saying they sale bio-anything so that won't be a problem....

I look at all this investment in the Energy sector the same as when the dot com craze hit. But because of the dot com bust, I don't blame you for being skeptical.....
 
#18 ·
psece said:
They look like they have 24.5 million in the bank. How much does it cost to buy cheap land, set up tanks and start a algae cycle? How much does it cost for the catalyst machinery? I think the biggest issue with all these companies is who is going to do the distribution? I already know that the POS's are clamoring for being able to put a sign up saying they sale bio-anything so that won't be a problem....

I look at all this investment in the Energy sector the same as when the dot com craze hit. But because of the dot com bust, I don't blame you for being skeptical.....
Ditto. This is not a capital intensive operation. The real breakthrough has and will come in the laboratory: finding the best species of algae. Once that is done, all you do is lay out plastic tubes in the warm sun and fill it with water. In the past, I have posted photos from other companies that have sample operations up and running. The value in the operation comes not from investing in machinery to extract resources, but from the fact that algae grows really quickly using free sunlight and nearly free salt water.

Also, in the first post, I linked to a story about Imperium Renewables doingthe same thing. Check the company out yourself: http://www.imperiumrenewables.com/ It is not a small operation.
 
#19 ·
HoosierRon said:
nearly free salt water.
I know its such a hassle going down to the beach with a bucket for some tests.;)

Honestly if someone like Bill Gates, bought lots of land, for store fronts and production, we could be buying 100 percent of our diesel (plus more for the new cars) in less than ten years and cheaper than gas now.

Whats the dealio? Take about prime opportunity to save the world, make lots of money and become a savior to general public.
 
#20 ·
As an advocate for the past twenty-five years of a biodiesel/electric hybrid propulsion system (me and my college bud had a design we pulled together in the fall of 1980), this is outstanding news. All of our development should be going into production of algae based fuels and into harnessing this for passenger and mass transit based systems within FIVE years.

We should abandon all corn-based ethanol tax incentives and shift our focus into creating infrastructure for the production of these algae fuels. From what I've been able to gather the algae also assist in cleanup of water systems so there is a side effect that is also eco friendly.

Let's move on this now and cease ever spending a dime for imported fuel from our enemies and internal punks, thugs, and terrorists.
 
#21 ·
As I have said before, this also has great potential for those of us in the Northeast who heat with oil. If bio-diesel can replace No.2, heating costs could fall increasing spendable money people have, thus growing the economy even faster. Bio-diesel isn't just a replcement for transportation energy demands.
 
#22 ·
T-Type said:
No offense, but that sounds scary/disgusting to me. I don't want to eat something that grew in brackish water, was used to make biodiesel and then a byproduct of that process will be used for food.
They'll just classify it as a food additive, like Red 40 or somesuch, and you'll never know it's there unless you read the ingredients.
 
#23 ·
so with all this proposed biodiesel production, where are the diesel powered cars? i don't plan on operating a Kenworth any time soon. even an F-250 Pwerstroke is a bit larger than what i require. how about a Malibu diesel... or a diesel Colorado or Envoy? why is it that Americans just "don't do" diesel? ridiculous.
 
#24 ·
SUPERBADD75 said:
so with all this proposed biodiesel production, where are the diesel powered cars? i don't plan on operating a Kenworth any time soon. even an F-250 Pwerstroke is a bit larger than what i require. how about a Malibu diesel... or a diesel Colorado or Envoy? why is it that Americans just "don't do" diesel? ridiculous.
Here here!!!

I for one am EAGERLY awaiting some more diesel options, preferably domestic.
 
#25 ·
SUPERBADD75 said:
so with all this proposed biodiesel production, where are the diesel powered cars? i don't plan on operating a Kenworth any time soon. even an F-250 Pwerstroke is a bit larger than what i require. how about a Malibu diesel... or a diesel Colorado or Envoy? why is it that Americans just "don't do" diesel? ridiculous.
If cheap diesel becomes available, Americans will make the switch. I have no doubt about that.
 
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