Most Desperate GM Product

**nsap** · 05-28-2008, 04:19 PM

By now it is obvious that GM is working a quickly as possible to see that their entire lineup is in tip-top shape. Nonetheless, there are stragglers in the product lineup that are...not in such shape.

Out of those, which needs replaced ASAP?

FenwickHockey65 · 05-28-2008, 04:21 PM

G5 needs to stop being a rebadged Cobalt.
G6 needs an update.
All Epsilons could use Nav.
Impala needs an update.
GM needs to start getting more 6 speed automatics into their cars.
Oh, and the GMT-355s. Complete redesign needed there, or the Denali XT concept or something.

Slideways · 05-28-2008, 04:22 PM

I am biased, because I like small trucks, so I'll say Colorado.

**nsap** · 05-28-2008, 04:23 PM

I vote for the Cobalt without any doubt. The Cobalt is by no means a bad car (it is underrated!), but with high gas prices...GM could afford to have a new Cobalt out right now.

FYI: The all-new "world" Cobalt will appear mid-2009 as a 2010 model. GM initially planned a mid-cycle enhancement for the 2009 MY (to go with the new SS), but it was canceled as GM pushed up the all-new 2010 model.

Hitman1970 · 05-28-2008, 04:32 PM

GM needs to drop some heavy hints (i.e. sketches, "spyshots") about the next Impala now.

I cannot get the image of "Superman" Taurus out of my head when thinking about my next sedan right now.

mantis662 · 05-28-2008, 04:43 PM

Cobalt & G6.

**mgescuro** · 05-28-2008, 04:47 PM

There are "desperate" cars at nearly every brand.

Buick -- Lucerne, Lacrosse
Cadillac -- DTS, STS
Chevy -- Impala, Cobalt, Colorado
GMC -- Canyon
Pontiac -- G5, G6, Torrent
Saab -- 9-3, 9-5, 9-7

chevyboy88 · 05-28-2008, 04:52 PM

colorado/canyon is at the top of my list, with the cost of fuel so high many people who still want a truck will at least consider a smaller truck, and the colorado/canyon really need a complete redesign something similar to the larger trucks, and a small v8 wouldn't hurt at all either.

montrealvue · 05-28-2008, 04:55 PM

The Uplander and Montana SV6. Their death can't come soon enough and the Lambdas are not an appropriate substitution.

pgill00 · 05-28-2008, 05:00 PM

I have to pick Cobalt (and not because I dislike the car...I love mine). Sit a Cobalt next to a Malibu and the Cobalt does not sell every time. That is completely counterintuitive that the more expensive car sells more units. As gas goes up, there are going to be much fewer people who are buying a truck for the looks.

Admitedly, the Colorado needs a refresh but those Colorado customers are not going to other brands to buy a small truck. Those customers are buying cars and the Cobalt is not strong enough today to steal customers away.

G6 also needs help but Malibu sales are holding that segment down for GM.

Cobalt with an interior 80% as nice as the Malibu, option for 18" wheels, move to the updated grille and 37mpg (which they are right there now) and its there. Sure they can make it like the WTCC if they want to double sales, but I would settle for a baby Malibu with a 4-door and coupe.

2b2 · 05-28-2008, 05:03 PM

I'm gonna vote Cobalt (And G5!!!) cuz mostly the sedan is what I think needs & has needed changing from day one
&
goes with my theory of the bell curve of sales
shifting its peak to the Cobalt's size

the Cobalt coupe has always and still looks Great imho
tho a new hood/grille/fascia+trunklid,
going for something 'StandOut'/extreme - just to hit the consumer over the head
& make them take a new look at it
would be a GoodThing

& specifically to

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitman1970

...I cannot get the image of "Superman" Taurus out my head when thinking about my next sedan right now.

I'd be grateful for your opinion (PM) if you'd be so kind
just click the pic in my current sig

chevrobill · 05-28-2008, 05:05 PM

G6 and Cobalt. They both should be so good that Altima and Civic buyers will change their minds immediately.

**BigAls87Z28** · 05-28-2008, 05:09 PM

Cobalt, G6 and Colorado in that order.
With gas prices, right now the Cobalt needs assistance, but we know it is coming in a year.
G6 and Colorado has had very little as far as enhancements as well as any major future news.
GM still needs more then what it currently offers.

GMfan1111 · 05-28-2008, 05:55 PM

cobalt and lucerne

doh · 05-28-2008, 06:04 PM

Cobalt/G5

Entry level product has to be a Wow vehicle to keep the upcoming "My Dad always drove a Chevy" generation. Unlike say the Civic, Mazda 3 and even the last generation Focus. (the new generation seems to attract the 60 something)

GM has years neglected the "My first GM" and many bad expriences have made them "My last GM"

View Poll Results: Which GM Product Needs Replaced ASAP?
Chevrolet Cobalt	116	32.77%
Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon	107	30.23%
Chevrolet Impala	39	11.02%
Cadillac STS	21	5.93%
Pontiac G6	50	14.12%
Other, please explain!!	21	5.93%
Voters: 354. You may not vote on this poll

05-28-2008, 04:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
nsap Administrator Join Date: Jan 2003 Drives: 2006 Pontiac G6 GTP 2009 Ford Focus SEL Posts: 14,526	Most Desperate GM Product By now it is obvious that GM is working a quickly as possible to see that their entire lineup is in tip-top shape. Nonetheless, there are stragglers in the product lineup that are...not in such shape. Out of those, which needs replaced ASAP? __________________ Gen V V8 info? E-Mail Me

05-28-2008, 04:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
FenwickHockey65 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: West Chester, OH Drives: Chevrolet Malibu LS, GMC Envoy SLE, GMC Sonoma SLS Posts: 5,165	Re: Most Desperate GM Product G5 needs to stop being a rebadged Cobalt. G6 needs an update. All Epsilons could use Nav. Impala needs an update. GM needs to start getting more 6 speed automatics into their cars. Oh, and the GMT-355s. Complete redesign needed there, or the Denali XT concept or something. __________________ Proud to drive American. Proud to drive GM. Current Cars: 2007 Chevrolet Malibu LS: 2.2L ECOTEC I-4 2003 GMC Envoy SLE: 4.2L Vortec 4200 I-6 1998 GMC Sonoma SLS Ext. Cab: 4.3L Vortec 4300 V6 Former Cars: 1993 Saturn SW2 (1993-2006, 243,000 miles) 1989 GMC Safari SLT (1989-2003, 293,000 miles) Future Car: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro 2LT RS: 3.6L DI VVT V6

05-28-2008, 04:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
Slideways 3.9 Liter V6 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 935	Re: Most Desperate GM Product I am biased, because I like small trucks, so I'll say Colorado.

05-28-2008, 04:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
nsap Administrator Join Date: Jan 2003 Drives: 2006 Pontiac G6 GTP 2009 Ford Focus SEL Posts: 14,526	Re: Most Desperate GM Product I vote for the Cobalt without any doubt. The Cobalt is by no means a bad car (it is underrated!), but with high gas prices...GM could afford to have a new Cobalt out right now. FYI: The all-new "world" Cobalt will appear mid-2009 as a 2010 model. GM initially planned a mid-cycle enhancement for the 2009 MY (to go with the new SS), but it was canceled as GM pushed up the all-new 2010 model. __________________ Gen V V8 info? E-Mail Me

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05-28-2008, 04:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hitman1970 6.0 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Huntsville, AL Drives: 2006 Buick LaCrosse CXS; Black with Grey Interior Posts: 1,900	Re: Most Desperate GM Product GM needs to drop some heavy hints (i.e. sketches, "spyshots") about the next Impala now. I cannot get the image of "Superman" Taurus out of my head when thinking about my next sedan right now. __________________ Current Ride: 2006 Buick LaCrosse CXS (Black w/ Grey Leather Interior) Wife's Ride: 2005 Ford Freestyle SEL (Charcoal Grey/Silver w/Grey Leather Interior) Last edited by Hitman1970 : 05-28-2008 at 07:05 PM.

05-28-2008, 04:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
mantis662 2.4 Liter ECOTEC Join Date: Jan 2003 Drives: 2004 Mazda3 Sport GT 2006 VW Jetta Departed: 20 Posts: 104	Re: Most Desperate GM Product Cobalt & G6.

05-28-2008, 04:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
mgescuro GMI Staff Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 23,641	Re: Most Desperate GM Product There are "desperate" cars at nearly every brand. Buick -- Lucerne, Lacrosse Cadillac -- DTS, STS Chevy -- Impala, Cobalt, Colorado GMC -- Canyon Pontiac -- G5, G6, Torrent Saab -- 9-3, 9-5, 9-7 __________________ 2000 Saab 9-5 Aero 1995 Mercedes C280 1994 Jaguar XJ6 ...when all hope is gone, you know sad songs say so much... My Vision of Cadillac My Vision of Cadillac (REDUX)

05-28-2008, 04:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
chevyboy88 2.4 Liter ECOTEC Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 104	Re: Most Desperate GM Product colorado/canyon is at the top of my list, with the cost of fuel so high many people who still want a truck will at least consider a smaller truck, and the colorado/canyon really need a complete redesign something similar to the larger trucks, and a small v8 wouldn't hurt at all either. __________________ She look so cool in her new Camaro It's black as coal and it goes boy, go go go I brought my fight next to her Camaro And when I fire on a smile then she blows, she blows She blows, she blows The only easy day was yesterday

05-28-2008, 04:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
montrealvue 6.0 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montreal,PQ - 2006 Saturn Vue V6 ! Posts: 1,789	Re: Most Desperate GM Product The Uplander and Montana SV6. Their death can't come soon enough and the Lambdas are not an appropriate substitution. __________________ '87 Merc Tracer '88 Toyota Tercel '89 VW Golf '94 Saturn SL '97 Pontiac Grand Am '00 Olds Silhouette '02 Dodge Intrepid '04 Chev Malibu '06 Saturn Vue

05-28-2008, 05:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
pgill00 3.5 Liter V6 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Drives: 2007 Silverado Z71 :: 2006 Cobalt LT Coupe Posts: 226	Re: Most Desperate GM Product I have to pick Cobalt (and not because I dislike the car...I love mine). Sit a Cobalt next to a Malibu and the Cobalt does not sell every time. That is completely counterintuitive that the more expensive car sells more units. As gas goes up, there are going to be much fewer people who are buying a truck for the looks. Admitedly, the Colorado needs a refresh but those Colorado customers are not going to other brands to buy a small truck. Those customers are buying cars and the Cobalt is not strong enough today to steal customers away. G6 also needs help but Malibu sales are holding that segment down for GM. Cobalt with an interior 80% as nice as the Malibu, option for 18" wheels, move to the updated grille and 37mpg (which they are right there now) and its there. Sure they can make it like the WTCC if they want to double sales, but I would settle for a baby Malibu with a 4-door and coupe.

05-28-2008, 05:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
chevrobill 3.5 Liter V6 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Drives: 08 Aura XR 06 Cobalt LS Posts: 282	Re: Most Desperate GM Product G6 and Cobalt. They both should be so good that Altima and Civic buyers will change their minds immediately.

05-28-2008, 05:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
BigAls87Z28 GMI Mod/Camaro Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,254	Re: Most Desperate GM Product Cobalt, G6 and Colorado in that order. With gas prices, right now the Cobalt needs assistance, but we know it is coming in a year. G6 and Colorado has had very little as far as enhancements as well as any major future news. GM still needs more then what it currently offers. __________________ GMInside News BigAls87Z28 1993 Caprice 9C1 1987 Camaro Z28 1972 Camaro RS

05-28-2008, 05:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
GMfan1111 5.3 Liter Vortec V8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in a undisclosed location somewhere in the metro detroit area Drives: 2001 Chevy Malibu LS Posts: 1,331	Re: Most Desperate GM Product cobalt and lucerne __________________ The 100 Mpg Prius is Vaporware “The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair” "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools". - Douglas Adams - Current ride: 2001 Chevy Malibu LS (happy 91,000 miles )

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05-28-2008, 06:04 PM	#15 (permalink)
doh 6.0 Liter LS2 V8 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: N.W.Ontario Posts: 4,377	Re: Most Desperate GM Product Cobalt/G5 Entry level product has to be a Wow vehicle to keep the upcoming "My Dad always drove a Chevy" generation. Unlike say the Civic, Mazda 3 and even the last generation Focus. (the new generation seems to attract the 60 something) GM has years neglected the "My first GM" and many bad expriences have made them "My last GM"

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