What hurt the Moraine GM plant?

[gardnet1]

Updates to the product could have saved or posponed the closure. Every year the GMT-360 vehicles weren't updated, sales were lost to competitors such as xterra. I almost feel like Saabs 9-7x got in the way. They couldn't update the Trailblazer and Envoy or they would be too close to the 9-7x.

Think about it, last time this product was updated they were making Oldsmobile versions.

The Colorado/Canyon/Ranger are in the same boat with very dated product when small is in.

[Copcarz]

Originally Posted by NfamousZ24

Right now GM is talking to UAW to see if they will allow us to transfer into on of their plants. We are still waiting if they will allow us.

In the last handout from the union they said that the UAW had approved transfers. They have to get approval from GM to let us transfer to other plants.

[redimpss5]

Originally Posted by Kennyboy

Here's a thought. Find a new job.

Good god Kennyboy..Just how much are you making at In and Out and can you get me in?

[NfamousZ24]

Originally Posted by Copcarz

In the last handout from the union they said that the UAW had approved transfers. They have to get approval from GM to let us transfer to other plants.

Last Handout, Unless I didn't see them handing a new one out.

For example, one issue which has taken some time to answer is transfer rights into UAW plants. The UAW has to give their approval, and this has taken some time to accomplish. We have found out that meetings are being scheduled to accomplish this issue. We are tentatively scheduled to return to the table the week of August 4th, 2008.

http://iuecwa798.com/report0728.html

[Ed Arcuri]

Nfamous Z24, add me to the list of those comisserating with you on the pending layoff. Its sounds very much to me as though you've got a sound plan in place. Congratulations on your foresight.
Here's the kind of thing that really roasts my chestnuts:
I used to work in a town in which everyone professed to be a champion of the American worker and whined constantly about "big business" shipping jobs overseas because business people are all greedy and cheap and anti-American and (insert the epithet of your choice here). They elected politicians who blathered on in the same way.
However, and this is the big However, they would say these things while putting imported gasoline in their Korean car before driving to the big box to buy Chinese goods.
I don't care what people buy or where it is made. I do care about our lassitude in not calling out the countries with protected markets.
I drive a a Cadillac because it was the best value in a luxury car available when I bought it. I may very well by another (my fourth) because Cadillac has stayed on top of the need to refresh and redesign. I'd like to get the new DTS/STS replacement if they don't make me wait too long. I will not, however, profess to be a homer while driving around in a foreign car.
If we truly care about the working people of this country we cannot continue to turn a blind eye to the misfeasances of our trading partners, nor ignore the parlous state of manufacturing, nor soak with high taxes every company that manges to make a profit.
I feel so much better now.
Cheers,
Ed Arcuri

[bobojay]

Originally Posted by domij

Which plant was this? The only two KC plants I know of was Leeds, which closed back in '88 and also Fairfax I which closed right before Fairfax II took over.

I started at Leeds and ended at Fairfax II. In between was Fairfax I, in and out twice, Oklahoma City for 3 years, in and out twice, Fairfax II, 6 years, Delco (Delphi) battery plant, Olathe, KS. for 5 years, then back to Fairfax II for 6 mos. till retirement.
I went to the battery plant just before the Delphi splitup because my arms, hands and wrists were just plain wore out from never being off the assembly line. Luckily out there I had jobs because of senority that was mostly running/maintaining machines, so my body was able to heal itself over the years, and I ended up with no surgery.
I know, long answer to a short question.

[bobojay]

Originally Posted by NfamousZ24

Ummm KC? This is about Moraine Assembly near Dayton, Ohio

Not trying to hijack the thread. Just answering a question.

I will be very interested to see what they work out with you guys on the transfer of senority issue.
When Saturn cut back some years back, and before they had pretty much folded them, the hourly employees, back into the GM plant heirarchy, we had a bunch of those folks come to KC. They had to start over plant senority wise, but carried their corporate/retirement senority with them.
They didn't like it, and I could understand that, but part of the transferring to Saturn in the first place required cutting all ties to GM at the time. You know, a new kind of car company yada, yada.......

[bobojay]

Originally Posted by gardnet1

Updates to the product could have saved or posponed the closure. Every year the GMT-360 vehicles weren't updated, sales were lost to competitors such as xterra. I almost feel like Saabs 9-7x got in the way. They couldn't update the Trailblazer and Envoy or they would be too close to the 9-7x.

Think about it, last time this product was updated they were making Oldsmobile versions.

The Colorado/Canyon/Ranger are in the same boat with very dated product when small is in.

The part about the Colorado/Canyon being outdated is an understatement! They were 2 generations behind when they came out and falling further back as we speak!
Heck all they need is interior upgrades, (big time), a V6 w/6speed, (V8 paired w/6speed also), and freshening on the outside.

[djo165]

Originally Posted by bobojay

Heck all they need is interior upgrades, (big time), a V6 w/6speed, (V8 paired w/6speed also), and freshening on the outside.

Agree with you on the Colorado/Canyon.

It's good to see you made it to retirement, bobojay. I worked at the OKC plant from '92-'94 w/EDS in those days, and we helped IFG (now Delphi) with procurement and logistics for the cushion room. I was really sad to see that plant close last year.

The line about globalization that someone mentioned is right. The place I work at now just off-shored a lot of jobs to India. What sux for those of us in tech jobs is that the Indians don't get the jobs because they are smarter or better, but just because they're cheaper. Short of working 60-80 hour weeks, there isn't much we as American tech workers can do to make up for that.

[jfnz24]

I wish you luck, NfamousZ24...it sounds like you got a good plan, though, so I hope you see it through.

[metatron]

The UAW will let you guys join (they want the dues), the only question is what seniority you'll hold.

If I were you, I'd recommend transferring up to Michigan. We have more factories, and thus more regions, and therefore more work. Besides, I think the company is looking to close it's peripheral locations and consolidate operations to ease logistical costs.

[NfamousZ24]

Originally Posted by metatron

The UAW will let you guys join (they want the dues), the only question is what seniority you'll hold.

If I were you, I'd recommend transferring up to Michigan. We have more factories, and thus more regions, and therefore more work. Besides, I think the company is looking to close it's peripheral locations and consolidate operations to ease logistical costs.

Arlington
Bowling Green
Kansas City
Shreavport
Spring Hill
Wilmington
NUMMI lolz

All much further than Moraine Assembly

Also we haven't heard anyting about transfers yet.

Senority I would still have GM senority but I doubt I will carry over any plant senority, I will start from day 1 in that regaurd.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by NfamousZ24

Arlington
Bowling Green
Kansas City
Shreavport
Spring Hill
Wilmington
NUMMI lolz

All much further than Moraine Assembly

Also we haven't heard anyting about transfers yet.

Senority I would still have GM senority but I doubt I will carry over any plant senority, I will start from day 1 in that regaurd.

Plant seniority? How long as that been around?

When my dad transferred to Delphi from Norwood, GM seniority was all that mattered...

[NfamousZ24]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Plant seniority? How long as that been around?

When my dad transferred to Delphi from Norwood, GM seniority was all that mattered...

It all depends on how UAW wants to do it. From what I heard when Saturn employees transfered to another UAW plant they started at the bottom Senority wise. When other UAW transfered into Spring Hill (Saturn) they did it by GM Senority.

I know my dad got hired at GM in '79 and got laid off for a few years and hired back at Moraine (IUE) in '85 so he had '85 Senority and so did a lot of people that transfered from other locations. So it all depends on how they want to do it. I just look at it this way I will keep my GM senority and not keep my hopes up with Plant Senority.

FYI Plant Senority is for signing up for jobs.

['Vette Dude]

Originally Posted by NfamousZ24

Arlington
Bowling Green
Kansas City
Shreavport
Spring Hill
Wilmington
NUMMI lolz

All much further than Moraine Assembly

Also we haven't heard anyting about transfers yet.

Senority I would still have GM senority but I doubt I will carry over any plant senority, I will start from day 1 in that regaurd.

No Lordstown, Ohio?