What hurt the Moraine GM plant?

[NfamousZ24]

Rubenstein said parts issues are not to blame for GM-Moraine's problems, at least not directly. The Moraine plant, he said, fell victim to an overall industry restructuring, pushing manufacturing work from union-represented Northern plants to the South, where unions hold less sway.

He also points to globalization and the fact that the Moraine plant is the only GM assembly plant represented by the International Union of Electronic Workers-Communication Workers of America.

"Closing that plant means essentially there is one fewer UAW (United Auto Workers) plant that has to be closed," Rubenstein said.

Fuel costs just made a bad situation worse, he said. "The fuel costs were almost like kicking them (the Moraine plant) when they were down and out."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/b/con...0108parts.html

[NfamousZ24]

It just seems that the one thing that actually helped us at our plant is going to evetually close us, Not being UAW.

60 days till my lay off

[FenwickHockey65]

Oh no.

What are you going to do after? My dad was telling me about how they'll take care of the UAW guys before the IUE guys...

[NfamousZ24]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Oh no.

What are you going to do after? My dad was telling me about how they'll take care of the UAW guys before the IUE guys...

Can't really say what I am going to do. I have to wait atleast after they finish contract negotiations. They go back to the table on Monday 8/04.

[Kennyboy]

Here's a thought. Find a new job.

[bobojay]

Being through this twice in my time with GM, both times it was the age of the facility with no upgrades over the years, lack of market for the product, (with very little or no chance of it returning). Cost of upgrading to new product.
And more than anything else in my opinion, shortsightedness!! and just plain dumb a** decisions by management over the years.
The first plant I worked at in KC was the most productive, cheapest to run, and the only one in the entire system at the time that could build anything the corporation had with minor changes to the facility. But it was in a flood plain and the last 6 years it was open it flooded twice, where it had only flooded twice in the previous 45 years.
Closed in 1998 when GM had lost the midsize car market because of lack of investment in the cars.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Kennyboy

Here's a thought. Find a new job.

Duh. The question is whether GM will buy them out or find new jobs for them.

[TheCarGonzo]

"GM Finds Jobs for them" You hear that from a lot of people talking about workers in the plants around Dayton, including the Needmore Road Delphi plant which is closing also

Look, unless you are a professional, are in the healthcare field or work in the defense field (WPAFB, contractors) their really are few jobs in the Miami Valley in the high pay bracket. Your former employer is downsizing...If a defense contractor's company loses an award, it's see ya' later, no finding a job for you. Do I wish the local workers were not losing their jobs, sure. I own a GMT-360, along with other GM vehicles. However, this doesn't mean the worker has a right to another job. That kind of thinking is helping (along with boneheaded product planning) to kill our auto industry...Just look at the what happened to the British auto industry if you want to see where this is going...

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by TheCarGonzo

"GM Finds Jobs for them" You hear that from a lot of people talking about workers in the plants around Dayton, including the Needmore Road Delphi plant which is closing also

Look, unless you are a professional, are in the healthcare field or work in the defense field (WPAFB, contractors) their really are few jobs in the Miami Valley in the high pay bracket. Your former employer is downsizing...If a defense contractor's company loses an award, it's see ya' later, no finding a job for you. Do I wish the local workers were not losing their jobs, sure. I own a GMT-360, along with other GM vehicles. However, this doesn't mean the worker has a right to another job. That kind of thinking is helping (along with boneheaded product planning) to kill our auto industry...Just look at the what happened to the British auto industry if you want to see where this is going...

Yeah...I know, my dad worked at a GM assembly plant (Norwood) as well as at Delphi at both the South Plant and North Plant. What GM will most likely do is offer to transfer people to other assembly plants not necessarily in the Dayton area, or to the new SPO warehouse in Sharonville. Other than that, it'll be buyouts and early retirement for most.

[tgagneguam]

What hurt the Moraine GM plant?

GM management's lack of insight to install truly flexible manufacturing facilities that could more easily and more quickly address changing consumer preferences.

Originally Posted by NfamousZ24

Can't really say what I am going to do. I have to wait atleast after they finish contract negotiations. They go back to the table on Monday 8/04.

I know that you know that despite the harsh rhetoric you hear on this site about the several Unions that represent GM workers-which I think very poorly represent the long-term interests of their members-many members of this site don't actually take delight in the fact that folks like you will be losing your jobs. I know I don't. I have to imagine that General Motors would at the very least offer some type of transitional job training that would hopefully bolster your prospects for a new position outside of the Corporation. And, based on what I do for a living, I have encountered lots of people who have unfortunately lost their jobs in a variety of industries. Funny, despite what you hear on the news, every single one of them is now training at their new job!

Originally Posted by Kennyboy

Here's a thought. Find a new job.

Not very sensitive, there, Kennyboy. You're better than that.

[NfamousZ24]

GM mentioned yesterday about another possible round of buyouts. Also you just never know what GM might announce after we get a contract negotiated. We already had a tenetive agreement that had our cost $3-5 lower than Toyota and Honda before they announced the cease of opperations ( You know the union went back and said "What do we have to do to get a new product"?)

Right now GM is talking to UAW to see if they will allow us to transfer into on of their plants. We are still waiting if they will allow us.

If they have another buyout then I will probably take it this time. Even though it will kill me not to just leave GM but the papers I do sign says basically that I cut all ties from GM and never to work for them again. $140k I will have enough to pay off all of my bills and still owe $50k on my house. Then I get to pull the "I put you through school now it is your turn to put me through school" card on my wife. She is a school teacher in the district that we both grew up in and live in now. ( A big reason why I don't want to transfer to another plant)

Also with the State Goverment having the TRA and TAA programs set up to get us retrained to do new jobs. From what I hear is that you take a test and the put you in a program that best suits you to get reeducated. Many 2 year trainning and 4 year college. You also get unemployment checks for the time you are in the re trainning. I will more than likely will go to Sinclair for a couple of years then transfer to Wright State in Buisness Marketing. ( What I started before GM hired me)

Like I said I need to wait till after the Contract before I can make any desicions.

[GM-Joe]

Originally Posted by NfamousZ24

We already had a tenetive agreement that had our cost $3-5 lower than Toyota and Honda before they announced the cease of opperations ( You know the union went back and said "What do we have to do to get a new product"?)

I live somewhat near you and about 10 years ago I applied to Honda, though it hurt to send in the application. They told me if I really wanted to work in Marysville that I would need to go through a temp service for at least two years. At $8.50 an hour I said, "No Thanks." Those two may pay there own people decently, but what I have begun to think is they line their plants with $10 an hour temps to keep costs down. To me that is not a real job, but just something that keeps the worker out of bankruptcy court; for a time.

Originally Posted by NfamousZ24

Also with the State Goverment having the TRA and TAA programs set up to get us retrained to do new jobs. From what I hear is that you take a test and the put you in a program that best suits you to get reeducated. Many 2 year trainning and 4 year college. You also get unemployment checks for the time you are in the re trainning. I will more than likely will go to Sinclair for a couple of years then transfer to Wright State in Buisness Marketing. ( What I started before GM hired me)

Good to hear you are planning college, if it were me, I would already be there. I felt a need to post this message because I will spend the rest of the day studying, instead of going out and doing something fun, or just taking it easy. My job is in jeopardy because of the Indians, so my thoughts are to take them head on and beat them at their own game. This country has little need for blue collar careers and everyone out there without a specialized skill will be going through even more heartbreak than GM layoffs and buyouts; they'll never get the chance to even have a middle class life, never live the "American Dream."

[wildgoosechase]

The one factor nobody seems to mention is just moving to a lower cost state. Sure your income drops but you can maintain you standard of living at a much lower wage.

[domij]

Which plant was this? The only two KC plants I know of was Leeds, which closed back in '88 and also Fairfax I which closed right before Fairfax II took over.

[NfamousZ24]

Originally Posted by domij

Which plant was this? The only two KC plants I know of was Leeds, which closed back in '88 and also Fairfax I which closed right before Fairfax II took over.

Ummm KC? This is about Moraine Assembly near Dayton, Ohio