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UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
I know American Axle makes the axels for Moraine Assembly (GMT360)
Thank you for merging! Also I was searching GMI for this story, I am so suprised this wasn't posted already. Last edited by NfamousZ24 : 02-27-2008 at 01:51 AM. |
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
Don't the T360s use the same axle as the half ton trucks?
This could get bad. The Trailblazers still sell pretty well even if half of them go in a fleet package. The highway patrol could probably make good use of the SS (as could I)......It can't be more expensive than the Tahoes I see them running around in. $14 an hour seems reasonable to me, but I don't know the exact amount of work that goes into it. Maybe they need to RIF some of their production line or go for more automated work. I'd hate to see it with a possible recession looming, but it might have to happen. Last edited by member12 : 02-26-2008 at 07:13 AM. |
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
GM can't catch a break!
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
Welcome to 2008 auto workers! See how the rest of the workers in the US have to survive with the retirement packages we are offered.
I say let 'em deal with it or let them go home.
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
Will we only be happy when no one is making more money than us or that we're all making minimum wage? Corporate America would love that.
It's apparent that the Jedi mind trick has been placed on Americans! Yes! let's vote the whole lot of us make LESS money! Give back more to the corporations so the executives can continue to outsource jobs, lower our wages, sell of more stock options, and get that extra yaht for the grand kids. Last edited by joemac : 02-26-2008 at 09:21 AM. |
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
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Or: I didn't spend eight years in evil medical school when some Joe Blow can get a factory job making good money without a degree! I shudder at the thought of something like that! ![]()
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
They should be happy... most places don't offer pensions or even 401ks these days. They should not look a gift horse in the mouth. At least they are getting something. Co-pay goes up.. big woop-t-do. Some people can't even afford insurance these days either.
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
I agree with with the 401k and co-pay, people should not complain about these. (401ks should also be standard and Social Security should be eliminated but thats a different subject) However, a steep wage cut would be hard to swallow.
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
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Look, here's the way it works: - a person has a skill that he has chosen to use in order to make a living - that skill falls somewhere between "common" and "uncommon" - that skill also falls somewhere between "in high demand" and "in low demand" - obviously, if the skill is uncommon and in high demand, anyone who has that skill will be very well paid (think: brain surgeon) - conversely, if the skill is common and in low demand, anyone who has that skill won't be paid very well (think: someone who churns butter by hand) - for the most part, the kind of skill that we're talking about here is common and in medium demand Like it or not, the market has determined what the going rate is for the kind of work that people are doing at American Axle. Apparently, $14/hr is the (pay) rate at which quality/employee retention are at acceptable levels for the employers, yet they aren't spending more than the work is worth. That's how the market works. Don't get mad at the employers for wanting to cut costs so they can be competitive... if anything, get mad that the UAW has artificially inflated wages to the point that it's cheaper to ship the work out of the country, pay to transport the finished product, and deal with import taxes than it is to just do it here.
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
Why does the UAW think that they deserve $70/hr when the industry average is $20 to $30/hr? Why are they whining about getting a 401k instead of a pension? Why are they whining about increasing their co-pay? It's time that they get out of their bubble and realize that they have to work WITH the rest of the working world. They are getting some GREAT benefits given the market conditions. They should be grateful that they got that offer. They are going to wish that they get these offered benefits when they get $0/hr and NO 401K and NO health care.
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
While I think replacing a pension with a 401k should be pretty standard across the board, I am not seeing any details about the amount of co-pay increase. Realistically, I don't see a strike as being a very effective way to improve your bargaining position when US wages are so much higher than those of the countries we are competing with. A better solution to the problems these workers face is to go after the reason companies can't afford to pay what they once did - unfair trade agreements. A lot of Americans don't make the connection between those dirt-cheap Chinese goods they love (even when they are lethal) and the decline in US manufacturing jobs. It seems to me that a well thought-out national advertising campaign might go a lot further towards accomplishing their goals than striking would. And there is at least one presidential candidate who is very distinctly starting to rail against blanket free-trade agreements, so that might be another thing to consider.
Until the trade situation changes, the wages and benefits the UAW has long enjoyed are impossible to maintain. Once American workers are protected from unfair, imbalanced trade agreements, wages and benefits can start to go back up for everyone. |
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
Wow, a union striking because their company wanted to make their wages and benifits competitive with the rest of the world! No way!
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Re: UAW workers strike American Axle; walkout could jeopardize shipments to GM
I think the reason the UAW guys feel they deserve more than people in other countries is because a lot of Americans still value U.S.-made products. The problem is that less and less people actually do. A lot of people would have no problem with buying an Indian or Chinese car as long as it is really cheap, and the UAW needs to realize that.
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