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Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
This article is LONG, but it certainly worth a read. I have to say, I'm glad that the overall sentiment with the Domesetics and the UAW is positive -- but the way the UAW conducted some of this really gets under my skin. I know they have to do things for "political" reasons, but certainly GM nearly coming to an agreement with the UAW (according to this article at least) and then pulling a strike anyway when they were so close just seems wrong to me. It kind of reminds me of Peter DeLorenzo's thoughts some time back that the Union's can't use the same tried and tired tactics of decades gone by if they expect to sell the idea of "we've change, we're cooperative", etc.
Regardless of my thoughts, take a look: SOURCE: Detroit News Quote:
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
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Overall, I think Detroit and the UAW should be pleased with what they achieved together. Quote:
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
thats a interesting read...definitely gives hope for the future of the big 3
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
Good article, just read it in the newspaper while eating lunch (I have today off, thanks UAW).
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
This sounds like a Gettelfinger fluff piece. Like they want to show the rank-and-file how hard he worked to get them this deal.
He still sounds like an a$$.
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
gettlefinger, i wonder if he used this thespian talents to add any more drama to the pillow of shredded papers bit. jees, let's strip al gore of the oscar and give it to gettlefinger.
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
"As badly as GM wanted the VEBA, the union wanted rock-solid guarantees that GM would keep its U.S. assembly plants churning out new vehicles into 2011 and beyond."
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
And to me that seems like a fair trade. The Union can't go back to its membership with nothing. It has to show that in exchange for all of these concessions they would get something, and in this case they were able to receive job guarantees for most of their employees.
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
If I were GM I would shutter everything that I legally could until the UAW "patterns" my contract after Ford's or Chrysler's. Put enough lemmings out of work and maybe they will stop supporting their overpaid windbag leadership. I said it before, the UAW is bad for the U.S. and for their membership.
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
GM should have dropped the $39 billion charge before negotiations or at least mentioned it was coming to get better terms.
GM will still probably be the best off in 3 years. The Malibu, Volt, new round of upgrades at Cadillac, G8, more Euro-Saturns and eventually a six speed for the GMT-900s. Once the housing market sorts itself out GM will be rollin! Chrysler will be a lot smaller and more profitable but they have some big time restructuring charges ahead, especially if they really go after reducing their dealer network. As they reduce models, GM and Ford will gain most of these conquests (Durango, Aspen, PT Cruiser, Avenger). Other than Journey and a refresh for Ram what does Chrysler have in the pipeline? Ford has a lot of momentum right now with the new contract and far better terms, upcoming buyouts with 2nd tier replacements, Jag & L-R almost off the books, and good publicity from quality and safety assessments. They also have some B-segment cars coming over, twin-force fuel sippers and flex. |
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Re: Historic UAW contracts forged from angry words, picket lines, harsh reality
Definitely a fluff piece.
This was pretty keen by the tone of the article, and the lack of encompassing the broader economic impacts. GM is in good condition, but there is room for improvement next round of talks. Chrysler however, will be interesting to watch; will they prepping for a sale again? will they attempt to bust the union(watching behavior at Ford and GM and compare their conditions) ? Ford is in the worst shape of all. I just hope that when renegotiations come again, that Chrysler will show its hand in a manner consistent with growth and global understanding.
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