GM won't commit to Oshawa plant, Hargrove says

[New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66]

What gets me are these people treating jobs as an entitlement. I understand that life is not a guarantee.

[Tony_the_Tiger]

The truck plant workers gave up concessions to the company in return for jobs in the future. The company has since been "judged" to not have been totally honest in their dealings with the union in this agreement.

For details on "judged" go to:

http://www.cawlocal.ca/222/news.asp

It's time to either provide the jobs promised or offer buyouts like they got in Windsor for their plant closing!

[camaro_freak]

Originally Posted by New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66

What gets me are these people treating jobs as an entitlement. I understand that life is not a guarantee.

then GM shouldn't have signed a contract two weeks earlier

GM had to have known gas prices would continue going up as a trend was clearly evident last year as fuel prices nearly doubled over the course of the year.

[fp115]

Originally Posted by Tony_the_Tiger

The truck plant workers gave up concessions to the company in return for jobs in the future. The company has since been "judged" to not have been totally honest in their dealings with the union in this agreement.

For details on "judged" go to:

http://www.cawlocal.ca/222/news.asp

It's time to either provide the jobs promised or offer buyouts like they got in Windsor for their plant closing!

Maybe you should read this "judged" as you call it again...

If any of the GM Canada negotiators knew the truck market information that was known by GM Corp, the deceit-like behaviour would be compounded. However, I do not find that any of the GM Canada negotiators had such knowledge. Without the advance notice and discussion provisions, it is impossible to know whether the parties would have come to an agreement or the eventual terms of the agreement.

Nowhere does it say GM is entitled to offer buyouts or provide jobs. Nowhere is it promised you will keep jobs either. Instead of doing your copy paste in 2-3 different threads every day, you should inform yourself.

[Tony_the_Tiger]

Originally Posted by New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66

What gets me are these people treating jobs as an entitlement. I understand that life is not a guarantee.

"these people" just want the company to keep their word on their promises - If they can not guarantee this then how can anyone believe anything they tell them in the future....


The truck plant workers gave up concessions to the company in return for jobs in the future. The company has since been "judged" to not have been totally honest in their dealings with the union in this agreement.

For details on "judged" go to:

http://www.cawlocal.ca/222/news.asp

It's time to either provide the jobs promised or offer buyouts like they got in Windsor for their plant closing!

[fp115]

Originally Posted by Tony_the_Tiger

The truck plant workers gave up concessions to the company in return for jobs in the future. The company has since been "judged" to not have been totally honest in their dealings with the union in this agreement.

Goes to prove you haven't read the ruling at all. And stop with the copy and paste already. Put it in your sig if you really want to say it.

[fastball]

For any company to operate properly and be flexible in today's globaly competitive environment, they cannot be burdened with being forced to promise jobs to people. What is hot today may be cold tomorrow, and vice versa. I actually support GM on this. If they see fit to close a plant or shift product from one to another, it's part of living in the modern age.

If you don't like the tediousness of job security building cars, go to school and learn a trade or earn a degree. That way, if you loose your job somewhere, you can take your skill to another place rather easily.

[PRO_USA1776]

As a former CDN who cares what Canadians think? I certainly don't! What goes around comes around! GM is in business to make a profit for its share holders period! The days of the CAW and the U-aint-working-union (UAW) are coming to a close!

[MadTruckMan]

Originally Posted by zete

Problem is, Oshawa is GM's best factory in terms of quality. It's a massive irony that they'd shutter the best one instead of a poorer one, as opposed to flipping some new vehicle into Oshawa to keep the quality. It was, after all, the lack of quality that did GM in for so many years. It's why I'm rather perplexed about GM's decision.

Sure, close the truck line but it's best to get some new product there as you're losing your best workers.

the car plant is. the truck plant is not the best in quality...fort wayne is

[osv_alero]

Originally Posted by K-1

Truer words were never spoken. Unfortunately, the CAW feels "entitled" to those jobs.

The entitlement thing is coming up all too often in todays world.

Maybe the group should start protesting unfair trade practices, then if successful GM sales will increase to the point where they need that factory again.

If it doesn't sell why should they make it? Why fight the company when it is the buyers, government policy and oil prices that have changed the dynamics of the industry, not GM.

[Clownzilla]

The question I want to give to Hargrove is , "How does that change the situation". There was no negotiation to begin with. GM is closing the plants.....PERIOD! There is nothing that the CAW or the Canadian government can do about it. It does not matter if GM were sneaky about the contract or not (I don't think they were sneaky at all), there is nothing in the contract that says that GM HAS to keep uncompetitive factories open. Sure, GM might have to pay some closing and relatively small contract costs.......but that is it! Negotiations are useless at this point and the CAW needs to spend their valuable time finding new jobs rather than putting a blockade on a future empty building.

[HotCarNut]

Originally Posted by zete

Problem is, Oshawa is GM's best factory in terms of quality. It's a massive irony that they'd shutter the best one instead of a poorer one, as opposed to flipping some new vehicle into Oshawa to keep the quality. It was, after all, the lack of quality that did GM in for so many years. It's why I'm rather perplexed about GM's decision.

Sure, close the truck line but it's best to get some new product there as you're losing your best workers.

GM had been talking about putting in a car line. I can't see that happening with the blockade and everything else to do with the CAW and its lousy contract.

[Whitesky]

Good. Goes to show a blockade is unacceptable and not the way to get what you want.

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by camaro_freak

then GM shouldn't have signed a contract two weeks earlier

GM had to have known gas prices would continue going up as a trend was clearly evident last year as fuel prices nearly doubled over the course of the year.

Then the CAW shouldn't have signed a contract two weeks earlier

The CAW had to have known gas prices would continue going up as a trend was clearly evident last year as fuel prices nearly doubled over the course of the year.

[K Dawg ONE]

Im not selling as many cars as I was 12 months ago though I was told when I was hired that I would sell atleast 'X' amount of cars per month...I feel entitled to have the General Motors dealer I work for offset my decline in commision by granting me a salary ontop of the commision I currently get payed as a I have a standard of living ive been accustomed to. I come to work (most days) and do what im required (most of the time) and dont complain about my job (usually) and although I dont have any post-secondary education, I know how to do my job and am irreplacable (unless someone else wants to do my job).

Should my work loose extra money by giving me an increase in pay dispite making less money as a company? Ill let you know how the meeting with my sales manager goes (once I return from the unemployment office)....