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4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/online/...ergy-fuel-cell
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http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080613/153276/ Source: Fuel Cell Today ************************************************** ******* You do realize that the water people are going to have the last laugh , don't you ? ![]() Well, ok, they'll be in the choir of 'solutions' that has the last laugh - all good and good enough . I think I remember - if not please excuse - plane you're 'on the right track'.
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6.2 Liter Vortec V8
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Traverse City, MI
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Re: Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
It would be great if some electrolysis (or equivalent) technology is developed that can extract more energy from the process than it consumes, but to date, I have yet to see anything close.
Power from water? That would mean electrical power plants located along coasts, too. But hydrogen and oxygen don't like being pulled apart. It's certainly the "Holy Grail" of energy, and I like to be optimistic, but I'm skeptical that water will power anything more than my plants. Also, given the astronomical gas prices, new scams are all over the Internet selling "water-powered car" plans, books, kits, etc, to a gullible audience. |
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5.3 Liter LS4 V8
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Re: Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
Dont fuel cell cars produce alot of water vapor? And If I remember rite dosent water vapor make up like 60%+ of the greenhouse gasses that contribute "global warming".
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4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Toronto area
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Re: Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
I have seen video of water powered cars. I think there is a lot of promise in technology like that and the infrastructure is in place!
The government should pour billions into getting this on the road ASAP. It's time!! |
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6.2 Liter Vortec V8
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Re: Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
Come to Iowa. You can have all the water you want.
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3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Re: Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
Are you kidding me? I've ignored the constant stream of pipe dream "alternative fuels" that for some reason make the front page of this site, but this is ridiculous. Turning one substance into another and then turning it back will always give you a negative return unless there is another source of energy.
This is perpetual motion guys, remember 5th grade science? This board was already headed downhill with the environmental cooks, but this is just dumb.
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3.5 Liter V6
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Re: Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
there are water shortages everywhere, BAD idea. unless it can run on Salt water, than we'll end up using water supplies for power instead of drinking..
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3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Re: Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
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The only possibility is that a catalyst or reactant of some sort is used to separate the hydrogen and oxygen components of water in the first place. If there were a substance, such as pure aluminum bonding to the oxygen to form aluminum-oxide, then hydrogen would be released. However, this would then require the external processing and input of a stabilized aluminum, so the potential energy or power, would then be stored there rather than water, per se. That's just an example though, if any number of external substances or catalysts are used for a reaction with water, then that is really the focus--which the article handily avoids. |
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7.0 Liter LS7 V8
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Montréal, Québec
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Re: Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
You see where it mentions metal hydride... it isn't running on water just like your car engine doesn't run on antifreeze/water mix. It's using the metal hydride ($$$)
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3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Missouri
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Re: Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
bio fule is the way to go. algea creating fule. Then said alge can be used to make animal food, and we can start eating corn again (insert rolleye icon)
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Re: Water Powered 'Fuel Cell'
Exactly - just as there is plenty of 'alternative' ie solar etc - energy to do what needs to be done for hydrogen to work as a carrier.
Two things all the other powertrain proponents don't want to look at; 'wellhead' to wheel' for the fuel, and cradle to grave for the vehicle. The joke is that all fuel is essentially an energy carrier that requires an enormous of amount of energy to both produce and utilize. Utilization includes distribution ie with a conventional gasser everything involved up to and including the physical act itself of putting the fuel in the tank. When all energy costs are accounted for - both in terms of the fuel and just as importantly in its utilization things like this and other beat the hell out of battery anything - if you want hybrid for certain duty cycle /vehicle combinations, - which is in fact desirable - do it w/o a battery ie a non battery 'hybrid'. Just look at how the simple price of a .50 cent gallon of water gets misrepresented right here on this thread - and the 50 cents I just mentioned - thats not even counting down to what we all pay at the faucet. One thing nobody wants to talk about is what the current oil prices and separately the current fuel prices just did to the cost of a battery and a battery hybrid.
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" 123" " 1-2-3, oh, that's how elementary it's gonna be -" "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." --Warren Buffet, June 2008 Last edited by AMERICA 123 : 06-16-2008 at 10:55 PM. |
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