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GMI Staff Member
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Time to electrify the economy
Time to electrify the economy
By George S. Farra / Woodley Farra Manion Portfolio Management Posted: June 16, 2008 www.indystar.com The increase in the price of oil and gas at the pump have been startling, leaping more than 100 percent for oil in the past year and 50 percent for gasoline. The call for an end to the United States’ dependency on oil to move its economy has reached pitch levels. Some call for conservation, which has the downside of limiting economic activity, while others want more drilling within the country’s borders. Environmentalists and residents of the states affected by more drilling are obviously opposed to this measure. Given the impact on the future growth of the economy, and therefore U.S. stock prices, what can we do? Many alternatives to oil-based gasoline have been touted and researched. Diesel has better fuel economy but remains dirtier and is now more expensive than gasoline. Corn-based ethanol sounds like a good solution until you see the impact on food prices and its limitations in terms of mileage and energy output. Hydrogen has potential but would require a massive change in the filling station infrastructure to accommodate it. (We have over 500,000 filling stations, thousands of miles of pipelines and tanker trucks, all geared for the delivery of gasoline). These and other fuel alternatives are more based on benefits yet to come and will not have an impact on today’s transportation costs. The best hope for breaking the oil addiction and keeping food on the table and not in the gas tank is electricity. The technology for a truly electric car, one that is re-charged by plugging it into a simple wall outlet, is around the corner. The power and range of the latest generation of lithium-ion batteries promise to deliver up to 80 miles of driving range on the electric charge alone, sufficient for most daily commutes. Adding a small gasoline engine to the mix to serve as a portable generator guarantees a driver will not run out of power away from home. Sound idyllic? GM is preparing the Chevy Volt for delivery to showrooms by 2010, and other manufacturers are rushing to do the same. Article Continues: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../80616063/1003 ![]()
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5.3 Liter Vortec V8
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
One thing that I have yet to hear is how the US Electric Grid would handle all of these new vehicles, in addition to all current demands. As the blackouts over the past few years have taught us, the electric grid is also in need of some serious upgrading.
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3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
I think it is hugely important to get electric cars on the roads. However, I think that it is going to take more than that to fix all of our energy problems.
Foremost, we need better conservation measures. People need to be encouraged and incentivized to use less energy - in their cars, in their homes, in general. I think that one of the biggest helps would be (1) to encourage people to live closer to work and (2) to improve mass transit in areas where mass transit could be practical and beneficial. The horsepower wars need to stop. There is a reason that 4 cyl engines dominate the mid-size car market -- most people don't give a ***** about 0-60 times. If the car can behave competently at highway speeds, then great. To be sure, there can and should still be some niche performance cars, but not every vehicle needs to have a 300 hp V-6. I'd be willing to bet that a small displacement DI v-6 with mileage competitive with most I-4's would be a bigger seller than huge displacement 300 hp V-6's available in many cars now. Once we have minimized our energy use, then we will need several different energy sources -- to ultimately meet those needs. Electric cars should be a huge portion of that, but I believe there will still be ICE cars -- at least for the next several decades. Obviously the growth of electric cars will curb oil consumption, lowering prices and extending the available supply. Furthermore, even moderate ethanol blending/use will further assist with cost and supply issues. Hydrogen and electricity will probably be long-long term solutions, but the ICE will still be around for a long time. In the near term, we should be tapping every possible oil source that we can. The sooner we are capable of meeting at least some of our oil needs, the better off we will be. As long as exploration is combined with alternative and renewable fuel development, then such exploration would merely be a short term stop-gap solution to a serious problem. Failing to start the process of exploration now will screw us in the future -- as it takes a substantial amount of time to develop new oil fields/off shore drilling areas. |
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
I have concern for the grid as well.
Hopefully it will lead to upgrading the grid, though that will be expensive.
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
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P.S. Why is it someone always asks this question? Do they not remember the many, many times before when it was answered?
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
Knowing GM's luck the oil "bubble" will burst and people won't be as concerned with fuel economy anymore... at least enough to pay the price for a Volt. Just a thought....
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3.6 Liter V6
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
There was an article out last year where Lutz quoted the DOE in stating that the power grid in its current form could handle around 1.5 million vehicles charging up at night.
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
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That's 375k each, and if the cars have about a 10 year life-cycle that's only 37k/year in sales for each automaker as a sustainable amount for sales. |
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6.2 Liter Vortec V8
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
No one is saying that all 247,421,120 cars in the U.S. will be replaced all at the same time with electric cars, thereby sending us into the Dark Ages (literally...as in black out). A little bit at a time won't hurt. Putting a solar-powered charger on the garage would help, too. We have time to shore up the electrical grid where it is weakest, this isn't going to happen this Saturday at 11:03 a.m.. Don't be a Panic Monkey.
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
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Every Volt article that allows comments gets comments from those who can't grasp concepts like "charging off peak" and "on board generator". GM needs this time to educate the masses. The more the Volt's kept secret the more misunderstood it will be.
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
I could easily see a solor panel on the side of my garage putting electricity into storage batteries all day, them moving the stored electricity into my Volt over night. May not fill it but would certainly help and be free solar energy.
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6.0 Liter Vortec V8
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
Sounds great, but then consider you need to burn something to make the electricity. Coal is a nice abundant local resource, but the climate change winds are blowing that fuel source away because of the evil of CO2. The same people that hate coal happen to hate nuclear too because they watched the "China Syndrome" when they grew up.
What does this leave us with? Solar cells and wind power? Sorry folks, but the costs are still many multiples too high and don't scale well or work for a large portion of the day. Everyone agrees we need to do SOMETHING about breaking the oil addiction, but NOT ONE politician is being honest with people when they say conservation and alternative power sources can solve the problem. A program that balances investments in alternative wind/solar power with conservation AND WITH increases in local energy sources like coal, nuclear, oil from places like ANWR is what is needed. Mark |
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6.2 Liter Vortec V8
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
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The coal is being burned and polluting every night, whether we use it or not, meanwhile the electricity that is being generated is not being used. That is a waste of fuel. Plugging in 1 million electric cars - which is like, 1/270th of the number of cars in the U.S. - will put some of that wasted coal/oil/natural gas that we're using anyway.
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3.9 Liter V6
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Re: Time to electrify the economy
I think the US needs to drill first and ask questions later. Urgency can certainly speed up developing new technology, but a virtual gun to the head hasn't exactly provided clarity as to how to proceed with the energy problem
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