Obama Plan: $7,000 Tax Credit for Chevy Volt, Entire White House Fleet to Plug-Ins

[63GrandSport001]

Having a very low tax rate for the wealthy actually does not help the US economy, it actually ends up meaning less revenue for the Government which means that they have to cut programs which leads to the loss of jobs which actually does hurt the US economy. Study the great depression and the things that lead to it and you will see that this is one of the things that indirectly contributed to it. However during a time of a major recession what you do not want to do is turn around and suddenly increase their tax rates to a higher rate which was done during the great depression and made it worse.

Simply put it we need a balanced tax system and it does need to be based off of ability to pay, I think that taxing them at 80% is way too high just as I think that 35% is a bit too low. Id put their rate at the 40-45% rate personally but that is just me.

I will agree that the things we are doing today our grand children will have to pay for later down the road which is why we need to turn around and fix things.

A free health care system would go a long way to help US businesses except the one business that spends billions of dollars to fight it.... the HMO. We pay 200% more then what the most expensive free health care system in the world on our health care system and a huge 22% of our costs comes from what pretty much amounts to paper work. Our current health care system is very expensive and its hurting many American businesses, I hate to believe that idea that this so called great nation can not do as good of a job on health care then some 50+ nations that have free systems then maybe we seriously need to think about doing something different even if it doesnt mean a free health care system.

[TruckMan]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

You can get a tax deduction of up to $100,000 to buy a SUV if you own a business however I dont hear you or any one of the people who think like you talking about that. What about those multi billion dollar business people who are buying trucks and SUVs with your tax money does that bother you at all?

A deduction is very different from a credit. You can deduct almost any business expense to not pay tax on it. A credit is basically cash straight back into your pocket. Very different. If you're referring to the tax credit from a few years ago that included the H2, I agree that was wrong as well.

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

what in the hell does you owning a 3,500 square foot house has to do with this topic????? the tax credit for buying a hybrid is to get people to buy more of them reducing our use of oil which actually would benefit us all while you getting a tax credit for your 3,500 square foot home wouldnt benefit anyone but you why not argue this while staying on the topic........

It's called an analogy. My point was that just because something is expensive, doesn't mean the government should help pay for it. If construction materials were cheaper, everybody could aford a 3500 sq ft house - doesn't mean the government should step in and help.

[Corr69]

Originally Posted by tama z71

We'll see. Campaign promises being what they are, Ill be surprised if any of this comes to pass. Im curious where the funding will come from, though.

The same place the funding for your current government's BULL**** war came from?

[RamJet502]

Originally Posted by Corr69

The same place the funding for your current government's BULL**** war came from?

That's right, its our government. Mind your business.

[Xenon]

All I can say is what an hopeful says ans does are two diffrent things. When all the promises are actually accounted for, its going to be way out of budget. So I think its best to wait untill they at least start campaigning with their running mates, to see how they stand on things like this. And to be honest I think this is more of an appeal to voters that have a strong connection to the Detroit 3.

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by RamJet502

That's right, its our government. Mind your business.

Well, considering the fact that Canadians are over there with us, it kinda is his business. And we're all on the same planet, so there's that angle. Freedom of speech is great, even when others say stuff we don't agree with.

[MechEng]

Originally Posted by rhvfd10

Proof that O has no clue what he's talking about. Would someone please tell me how a plug in hybrid or even a 2 mode would stand up to the kind of work that federal machines such as below do on a regular basis. They sure don't stick to a bus route!

It's intresting you show a picture of an International truck. You do realize they already manufacture a hybrid version similiar to the truck you pictured.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/11...hybrid-commer/
http://www.baumpub.com/heg/features_...feature_id=698
http://ir.navistar.com/releasedetail...leaseID=274937

[RamJet502]

Originally Posted by Saturn69

Freedom of speech is great, even when others say stuff we don't agree with.

You mean the same freedom of speech I exercised?

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by RamJet502

You mean the same freedom of speech I exercised?

Of course.

[rhvfd10]

Originally Posted by MechEng

It's intresting you show a picture of an International truck. You do realize they already manufacture a hybrid version similiar to the truck you pictured.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/11...hybrid-commer/
http://www.baumpub.com/heg/features_...feature_id=698
http://ir.navistar.com/releasedetail...leaseID=274937

"in-city pickup and delivery applications" - navistar press release

It comes in 4x2 only

http://www.internationaltrucks.com/p...&vgnextnoice=1

So, no it isn't the exact same truck. It's a good replacement for a delivery esque truck that isn't driven off road or under emergency conditions but certainly not for most all applications of the USFS.

[Dukeboy01]

Hey, I can see this forum again.

[TiburonJT]

Originally Posted by mbukukanyau

Tells you he has no idea what the job entails. He thinks the president sits there looking at the white house fleet efficiency.
He thinks its like his little household.

The president has more important things to do like this: http://www.whitehouse.gov/holiday/2006/barneycam.html

Do you have any talking points you would like to add to the discussion?