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Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
Miscanthus can meet U.S. biofuels goal using less land than corn or switchgrass
In field trials in Illinois, researchers grew Miscanthus x giganteus and switchgrass in adjoining plots. Miscanthus proved to be at least twice as productive as switchgrass. Quote:
Using the grass Miscanthus x giganteus as a feedstock for ethanol production would significantly reduce the amount of farmland needed for biofuels, said U. of I. crop sciences professor Stephen P. Long. Corn, switchgrass and Miscanthus are grown side by side in experimental plots in Urbana, Ill. These fields, shown in 2006, were in their second year of growth.
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
I'm still not convinced that ethanol is a viable alternative to gas/oil. Ethanol provides less power than gasoline and mileage suffers greatly.
However, I do believe the algae to oil (biodiesel) plant prospects appear incredibly viable. In theory, wasted space on the tops of buildings could be turned into mini biodiesel growing environments nationwide and reap rewards/benefits to all. The best part is biodiesel would not affect food/agriculture crops and land management like the media hype has complained corn ethanol would! Just think - big plants in metro areas (car manufacturers for example) could grow their own fuel for the diesel powered vehicles on the wasted space of their own rooftops. Now that's cool!! ![]()
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
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I think this is exciting research and am interested in seeing where this leads. I'll gladly give up horsepower/range to reduce foreign oil consumption. |
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
Someone has been drinking the big oil kool-aid. Ethanol is still extremely energy rich. Most of the energy in gasoline gets wasted anyways. And actually ethanol can be MORE fuel efficient than gasoline if it's burned in an engined designed only for ethanol. Ethanol only engines have a much higher compression ratio which allows you to extract more of the energy.
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
Because fuel is burnt the same way no matter what is used. Since ethanol is a higher octane, the gas could burn more slowly, but I really can't see that making a huge difference in fuel economy. The main problem is finding a fuel that is as effortless to produce as petrol is now, and at the same time is able to be produced on a massive scale. That is something that ethanol cannot match...yet.
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
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Ethanol may contain less energy, but that is no reason to reject it. If it keeps $700 Billion in the U.S. economy, it is far more "efficient" than gasoline.
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
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We simply can't say "sorry, the middle east retains a huge influence over the US economy because ethanol wasn't quite as efficient as petroleum-based fuels". Brazil didn't become self-sufficient by ignoring ethanol. |
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
I was attempting to focus on saving the land for actual food crops. That way we don't create another issue by growing too much on the land.
Grow the grass on the roof then! ![]()
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
E85 would be greatful in a car with direct injection, something that can take advantage of high compression ratios. High compresion, direct injection, turbocharged cars using E85 or higher could pull some serious numbers.
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
Thanks again for the article HoosierRon.
I think it's important to point out, from the article, that Miscanthus - Grows in ground not well suited to growing food crops. - Is a perennial that does not need fertilization after the first year. So in theory it's probably relatively cheap. That said, I would have liked to read a cost conjecture as to how much it would cost to make each gallon of ethanol using this technology. |
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
does miscanthus can grow in a more northern areas like the Canadian Prairies and Quebec? We can grow some switchgrass here but I don't know for miscanthus
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
Remember, this is research that started because of 9/11. People didn't want to pay money to those who hate us. So it has almost been 7 years and we are really starting to see just the first salvo in the ethanol process. Wait until the genetically modified Miscanthus is used. Wait until the more efficient processing gets used. I give it another 5 years and it will be making a huge dent in what we import.
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Re: Field test confirms miscanthus far better than corn or switchgrass for ethanol
As long as we aren't converting food into fuel, and as long as the fuel creates more energy than is needed to create it, then I'm happy.
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