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Bullwinkle reaches into his hat - again. aka Gasoline and Diesel - 'together at last'
Title of the referenced article says it all.
Another fine example of the area with one of the greatest potentials for massive improvement ie the fuel itself. Quote:
There are many more 'out of the box' type solutions to be considered besides this one in this area ie fuel in general and a bi fuel approach in particular. There are also other attractive combinations............... And then....... There are also some things outside of fuel that then would very likely fit well together with this - in a multiplicative sense.
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Gas and Diesel Mixture Improve Efficiency
Reitz estimates that if all cars and trucks were to achieve the efficiency levels demonstrated in the project, it could lead to a reduction in transportation-based U.S. oil consumption by one-third.
"What's more important than fuel efficiency, especially for the trucking industry, is that we are meeting the EPA's 2010 emissions regulations quite easily," Reitz says. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0803132737.htm |
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Re: Gas and Diesel Mixture Improve Efficiency
There are actually a lot of people in the industry looking at the effects of using a gasoline-diesel mixture to improve engine-out emissions. It's likely that we'll hear more about this in the coming years.
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Re: Gas and Diesel Mixture Improve Efficiency
I just read this yesterday...interesting concept. I can imagine variants like bio-diesel and biobutanol, or bio-diesel and cellulosic ethanol being tested too.
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Re: Gas and Diesel Mixture Improve Efficiency
Great idea, especially since it works. However, what happens if you don't have desiel available? I know many places where you have to hunt down desiel, especially in area's where trucks rarely go. Can it run on just gasoline if it needs too? I can see this catching on with truckers, but not with Joe Smo nieghbor because it requires more effort to fill two tanks with two different fuels.
I know I sound negative, but I am just trying to be a realist. I would love to have this system put in my Suburban, I just want to know when I can buy one. And does it work with Turbo's or Superchargers?
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"That's the new GM, may it long live" -Washington Times. Only an American Car can have 500+hp, go from 0-60 in under 4 secs., top out at almost 200mph, and still get 24 mpg (2008 standards). ![]() Volt=Electric Car (it is a series hybrid.............sometimes) An Electric Car Always. If you got a chance check out http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2597944 and rate my ride plz. 2001 Chevy Suburban (The one in the Avatar) 2006 Saturn Ion (wifes car) |
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Re: Gas and Diesel Mixture Improve Efficiency
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Ooops, how many failures would result from "miss fueling" the 2 tanks?
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Re: Gas and Diesel Mixture Improve Efficiency
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Gas-diesel mixtures for diesel engines is still in a research phase. But the end-implementation would be a gas-diesel mixture directly from the pump. So like E85, it may be something like G20 Diesel (20%gas, 80%diesel). Diesel is bad for NOx. Gasoline is bad for fuel economy and nano-particulates. A gas-diesel mixture would be a comprise of the two.
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5.3 Liter Vortec V8
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Re: Gas and Diesel Mixture Improve Efficiency
Actually with twice the amount of fuel getting twice the fuel economy the range of said vehicle should be quadrupled. So on my Suburban, about 1600-2000 mile between fill ups. That is crazy.
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"That's the new GM, may it long live" -Washington Times. Only an American Car can have 500+hp, go from 0-60 in under 4 secs., top out at almost 200mph, and still get 24 mpg (2008 standards). ![]() Volt=Electric Car (it is a series hybrid.............sometimes) An Electric Car Always. If you got a chance check out http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2597944 and rate my ride plz. 2001 Chevy Suburban (The one in the Avatar) 2006 Saturn Ion (wifes car) |
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Re: Gas and Diesel Mixture Improve Efficiency
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If a normal car had a 12 gallon tank.. and switched to half and half... you would think it would have two 6 gallon tanks. Overall mileage would increase, just not 4x. |
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4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar
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Re: Bullwinkle reaches into his hat - again. aka Gasoline and Diesel - 'together at l
You'd still have the same relative size of tank, only containing the blend. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if the car companies then started putting in smaller tanks to save room and weight.
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