Biofuel battle at the UN: biofuels win

[Dgrocho]

Do we actually send food aid to these oil rich countries that are making all kinds of money off of us? It seems silly for us to be doing that, though there was a food for fuel thing in at least some places right? If somebody could explain that, that would be great.

The numbers at the end of one of those articles are pretty amazing, the US has pledged 5 Billion (annually?) to fight worldwide hunger, and the nations that are "super prosperous" because of oil have only pledged 100 million. Something has to give. Our country is simply too generous, especially in this time of economic struggle.

If you aren't taking care of yourself, eventually you won't have the strength to care for others either.

[yoblues]

The UN was a joke 24 hrs after it opened.

[EatonISgay]

Here! Here! And the recent rains and floods affecting 40% of the corn crop in this country should have a nice effect on corn prices. God bless the farmer, its going to be a good year.

As globalism takes over and we usher in a new era most likely led by the socialist/globalist obama, the rest of the world is expecting access to our corn. Couple that with a rising world population and china's inability to feed itself, our corn will play an even bigger role in the world than it ever has.

Seems logical to me to use it for fuel. Why would we want to use up our 60 year supply of oil, not counting shale oil finds in CO and UT, the newest discovery in North Dakota or in Montana and the newest finds globally - like in brazil and siberia? Makes sense to me. After all its not like it takes more energy to make a unit of energy from corn. (eye roll) We all know how efficient and better corn is compared to traditional fossil fuels. (eye roll)

I just started a company that converts the food in your freezer and refridgerator to fuel. This fuel has 75% of the energy content of a gallon of gas, but so what. We're going to be independent! No more middle east oil baby, just empty out that fridge! Anyone want to invest?

[logansowner]

Originally Posted by EatonISgay

Here! Here! And the recent rains and floods affecting 40% of the corn crop in this country should have a nice effect on corn prices. God bless the farmer, its going to be a good year.

As globalism takes over and we usher in a new era most likely led by the socialist/globalist obama, the rest of the world is expecting access to our corn. Couple that with a rising world population and china's inability to feed itself, our corn will play an even bigger role in the world than it ever has.

Seems logical to me to use it for fuel. Why would we want to use up our 60 year supply of oil, not counting shale oil finds in CO and UT, the newest discovery in North Dakota or in Montana and the newest finds globally - like in brazil and siberia? Makes sense to me. After all its not like it takes more energy to make a unit of energy from corn. (eye roll) We all know how efficient and better corn is compared to traditional fossil fuels. (eye roll)

I just started a company that converts the food in your freezer and refridgerator to fuel. This fuel has 75% of the energy content of a gallon of gas, but so what. We're going to be independent! No more middle east oil baby, just empty out that fridge! Anyone want to invest?

Nobody plans to use corn anymore, but for some reason anyone who doesn't want to be independent keeps using this argument. That's like saying it's not efficient to make fuel from dog crap, who gives a damn, you weren't going to do it anyway.

[1931Chevy]

If we as Americans want to be fuel independent we need to help to reduce the consumption in any way from the cars to the electricity in our homes, right now I will do my part because I think I will go with a solar system for my house since right now Im paying 300 monthly for electricity and for that I could pay a loan for a solar power system, I love my v8 but maybe I could buy a Volt or other plug in and instead of having to plug it in if your car is parked outside they should offer a small solar panel to recharge the battery with the sun or a better idea the goverment could help for the installation of small solar panels in public areas so the plug in owner can recharge the car with solar energy. And instead of making ethanol from corn they should produce it from sugar cane since more ethanol is extracted from the cane than the corn

[Higher Rhymes]

The thing about the UN, and Europe in general, is that they are proactive, and that's a good thing. Our country is pigeonholed into not reacting to the various social and economic concerns/changes that affect is daily.. it's a sad situation. We need major upgrades to our infrastructure, the public transportation industry has a lot of room to grow.

[samkung]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

If the Middle East and Venezula can hold us hostage for oil and China is increasing oil usage whereas it looks like US gas demand is going down, then America has every right to hold the world hostage for food.

Oh my dear God, i just cant believe you would say something like that, are you saying America is going to sink as low as those Middle Eastern countries or Venezula,

You have to know people could survive without Oil, but people cant do that without food

Originally Posted by unkillsam

So, if they want to rape us for oil why should they get our food on the cheap?

People who rape you on oil are getting richer, they can afford the food they need, people who suffer will be those who have Nothing That is inhumane and immoral

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

This is a story that is not easily summed up in a headline. The United Nations has an outfit called the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO). Yes, this is a curious name since the people on the organization do not grow food and their knowledge of agriculture is limited to taking from agricultural producers and giving to Marxist despots.

But I digress.

There recently was a big movement by the New World Orderists who clearly did not like America's recent uppity streak when it came to energy independence. They wanted to shut down America's biofuel industry. You can imagine the arguments (e.g., after all the graft payments, PEMEX does not have enough money left over from selling the U.S. oil for $139/barrel to subsidize tortilla sales).

This prompted the typical and completely unnecessary injection of facts into the discussion. As a result (along with the "fact" that America made clear any ban on biofuels would have to be funded by some other member state, such as Somalia or Togo), the FAO issued a report concluding that it would further study the issue and focus on increased agricultural output rather than banning biofuels. Of course, this leaves us with a couple of questions:

For what it's worth, biofuel is only a temporary solution to the ever growing demand for oil, the real solution would be invest more in renewable energy and again my favourite -----Fusion

PS: Being Energy independent is a nice dream for America, maybe it's time to wake up and start building Nuclear reactor again

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

If America is a soverign nation, how did the UN ever envisioning banning biofuels in the first place?

They cant, but it's just going to further damage American's image around the world

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

If the doubling of corn prices due to Chinese demand and the falling dollar does not prompt increased agricultural production, what will?

That is true, there are fears that Chinese's agricultural would decrease due to massive human migration into the urban area

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

At what point in history did people who chose to live in the desert decide they were entitled to American corn?

Well you CANNOT condemn people to starve to death just because where they live, so if their area is unsustainable would you like them to move to america? europe? anywhere? People dont get to choose where they were born, you know they are not asking for to live like Western standard, they are not asking for KFC, all they want is some corn to survive, come to think of that, maybe the cost of a KFC family bucket is enough to feed their family for a month

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by samkung

Oh my dear God, i just cant believe you would say something like that, are you saying America is going to sink as low as those Middle Eastern countries or Venezula,

You have to know people could survive without Oil, but people cant do that without food

People who rape you on oil are getting richer, they can afford the food they need, people who suffer will be those who have Nothing That is inhumane and immoral

They don't like us anyway so why should we help them? In this world you either swim or drown, America can't be the life preserver for all these nations. They need to take care of themselves, as do we. Maybe their great leaders should get off their asses and do something for once instead of complain.

Originally Posted by samkung

For what it's worth, biofuel is only a temporary solution to the ever growing demand for oil, the real solution would be invest more in renewable energy and again my favourite -----Fusion

PS: Being Energy independent is a nice dream for America, maybe it's time to wake up and start building Nuclear reactor again

I been reading up on Fusion for years and I think its the future of power, however everyone seems to think Fusion power is at least another 20 years off. They can make Fusion now, here on Earth, but they put more power into it than they get out. I agree, we need more nuclear reactors.

Originally Posted by samkung

They cant, but it's just going to further damage American's image around the world

What's to lose at this point? Everyone hates us and it's a waste of time trying to make people happy. Everyone outside the US only focus on our error's (While at the same time conveniently forgetting their errors) and never the things we have done right. Again I feel we should focus on our problems and let the world correct it's problems without us.

Originally Posted by samkung

Well you CANNOT condemn people to starve to death just because where they live, so if their area is unsustainable would you like them to move to america? europe? anywhere? People dont get to choose where they were born, you know they are not asking for to live like Western standard, they are not asking for KFC, all they want is some corn to survive, come to think of that, maybe the cost of a KFC family bucket is enough to feed their family for a month

I am sorry it's not our business to feed the world. These nations need to get their acts together and solve their own problems, instead of expecting the US to save them. Anyway most of the nations we ever helped turned against us, look at Europe. You sound like a nice guy, it's just too bad other people outside the US can't be like you.

[Griffen427]

Originally Posted by HoosierRon

This is a story that is not easily summed up in a headline. The United Nations has an outfit called the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO). Yes, this is a curious name since the people on the organization do not grow food and their knowledge of agriculture is limited to taking from agricultural producers and giving to Marxist despots.

But I digress.

There recently was a big movement by the New World Orderists who clearly did not like America's recent uppity streak when it came to energy independence. They wanted to shut down America's biofuel industry. You can imagine the arguments (e.g., after all the graft payments, PEMEX does not have enough money left over from selling the U.S. oil for $139/barrel to subsidize tortilla sales).

This prompted the typical and completely unnecessary injection of facts into the discussion. As a result (along with the "fact" that America made clear any ban on biofuels would have to be funded by some other member state, such as Somalia or Togo), the FAO issued a report concluding that it would further study the issue and focus on increased agricultural output rather than banning biofuels. Of course, this leaves us with a couple of questions:

• If America is a soverign nation, how did the UN ever envisioning banning biofuels in the first place?
• If the doubling of corn prices due to Chinese demand and the falling dollar does not prompt increased agricultural production, what will?
• At what point in history did people who chose to live in the desert decide they were entitled to American corn?

In any event, I say it is a positive development for American energy independence and the American farmer when the UN decides to "study" an issue.

The battle.
UN surrenders.


Brazil's president tells the UN to go pound sand.

Look, thing is that the UN is not happy, and it's not because "the US wants to become energy-independent", that's nonsense. The reason behind all of this is that the US was stupid from the get-go by investin in CORN-BASED ethanol which is wildly-inefficient in its production and use, mainly because it takes so much arable land to produce enough corn to be converted into fuel, and that conversion in turn takes up a lot of energy (something like .75 gallons of fuel required to make 1 gallon of corn-based ethanol).

ANYWAY, this reduces arable land, which means less wheat is being planted and cultivated. The US has been the global leader in wheat production for DECADES. We send huge amounts of surplus around the world (read about the wheat deal between the US and USSR in the 70's). Now that we're producing (and thus exporting) less wheat because the government is subsidizing corn farming, that causes problems on the world market and food prices soar. We're seeing it here too with food costs increasing. Why? Wheat goes into to feedstock for Chickens, Cows, and other livestock. Wheat makes breads etc. It all adds up.

[Griffen427]

PLUS it's better for our economy to export as much wheat as possible - that helps us to reduce our trade deficit. Don't even look at it as our job to feed the world.

[samkung]

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

They don't like us anyway so why should we help them? In this world you either swim or drown, America can't be the life preserver for all these nations. They need to take care of themselves, as do we. Maybe their great leaders should get off their asses and do something for once instead of complain.

Well you cant help it, America is the world police, it is the sole superpower in the post wold war era. From history, America has alway been a life preserver, same in my heart. Plus you cant have double standard, you can choose to help those who you have interests in and abandon those who has no geopolitic, resources interests.

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

I been reading up on Fusion for years and I think its the future of power, however everyone seems to think Fusion power is at least another 20 years off. They can make Fusion now, here on Earth, but they put more power into it than they get out. I agree, we need more nuclear reactors.

Maybe we need a WWIII to speed it up since fission is the by-product of WW2 wish i am only joking. Government do need to increase investment in R&D of Fusion, it is our future, wind energy, wave energy, solar energy, these are all temporary for the arrival of Fusion and i do hope i will able to see it before my days.

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

What's to lose at this point? Everyone hates us and it's a waste of time trying to make people happy. Everyone outside the US only focus on our error's (While at the same time conveniently forgetting their errors) and never the things we have done right. Again I feel we should focus on our problems and let the world correct it's problems without us.

I am sure not everybody hate America, well just to give a smile on your face, i am a big fan of America, i love her system, love the value it stands, equality, liberty and freedom, "used" to support most of action she takes, but lately thing went downhill, and that was a disappointment

You know there is a Chinese proverb, when a tree grow too big, it attract most of the wind, i think that might apply to America's situation

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

I am sorry it's not our business to feed the world. These nations need to get their acts together and solve their own problems, instead of expecting the US to save them. Anyway most of the nations we ever helped turned against us, look at Europe. You sound like a nice guy, it's just too bad other people outside the US can't be like you.

It might not be your business to feed the world, but human lives are the same, i am sure you wont say NO when thousands are dying, these might not be the problem of the people, but the government of those nations, look at Burma, their leader sucks, tho what can their people do? Revolution

thanks for the last comment, appreciate that, umm i know sometimes it's hard to understand why America is always the target of everything
From wars to globalisation to environmental issue.


PS: Here is a phrase from The United States Declaration of Independence:
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"

that is the right of everyone, i am sure your founding fathers fought hard for these rights, and maybe it's time for America to help those less fortune

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by samkung

Well you cant help it, America is the world police, it is the sole superpower in the post wold war era. From history, America has alway been a life preserver, same in my heart. Plus you cant have double standard, you can choose to help those who you have interests in and abandon those who has no geopolitic, resources interests.

Well I am coming to the conclusion that we shouldn't really help anyone, anymore. Whatever action we take in this world we come under constant criticism. Maybe some of the "near superpowers" should start carrying the burden instead of being the first to criticize. Maybe it's wrong to wish we were cut off the world, but some other nations that are rich and have power should help.

Originally Posted by samkung

Maybe we need a WWIII to speed it up since fission is the by-product of WW2 wish i am only joking. Government do need to increase investment in R&D of Fusion, it is our future, wind energy, wave energy, solar energy, these are all temporary for the arrival of Fusion and i do hope i will able to see it before my days.

Yea that might be a little too extreme. It seems all the major governments of the world are seriously researching Fusion, the biggest one being ITER.

Originally Posted by samkung

I am sure not everybody hate America, well just to give a smile on your face, i am a big fan of America, i love her system, love the value it stands, equality, liberty and freedom, "used" to support most of action she takes, but lately thing went downhill, and that was a disappointment

You know there is a Chinese proverb, when a tree grow too big, it attract most of the wind, i think that might apply to America's situation.

It's just that the majority does. Would you personally help anyone that hates you, and is out to cause you harm? Trust me when I say some of the criticism is deserved, but not nearly to the level we get it. What really irks me is many of the nations that do criticize us have a history of war and other crimes, which they seem to easily forget about.

Originally Posted by samkung

It might not be your business to feed the world, but human lives are the same, i am sure you wont say NO when thousands are dying, these might not be the problem of the people, but the government of those nations, look at Burma, their leader sucks, tho what can their people do? Revolution

thanks for the last comment, appreciate that, umm i know it's sometimes it's hard to understand why America is always the target of everything
From wars to globalisation to environmental issue.


PS: Here is a phrase from The United States Declaration of Independence:
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"

that is the right of everyone, i am sure your founding fathers fought hard for these rights, and maybe it's time for America to help those less fortune

You know I wouldn't have a problem with my country feeding these nations if they made efforts to become self sufficient. It doesn't seem like they are interested in fixing their issues, and instead expecting us to solve their problems.

See your second paragraph? Thats the problem I really have with the world. They expect us to do this and that like we are the servant of the world. Then if we don't do it, or don't do it their way we have to accept the criticism. If people from outside the US are allowed to be upset with us why can't I be upset with people outside the US? I have plenty of reasons.

This country has a history of helping the less fortunate; even today this country continues to help the less fortunate. However, I am critical of helping the less fortunate nations especially since once they get what they need they have a nasty way of turning against this nation. Look at all the nations we have helped, especially the ones we help rebuilt after major wars (If you get my hint) see if they are truly friends even after putting all our money and effort into restoring their nation. Now do you see why I don't want this nation to help anyone, anymore?