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Alternative Fuel and Energy News Roundup
Casa Grande company may be on the frontline of an agricultural revolution
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Mesa Power Places World's Largest Single-Site Wind Turbine Purchase Order Purchase is step one in T. Boone Pickens' plans to build world's largest wind farm near Pampa, Texas Quote:
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Re: Alternative Fuel and Energy News Roundup
Great finds as usual Ron.
Looks like the Alternative Energy sector is really starting to take shape with a variety of promising technologies that can produce in the volumes that will make a difference and most using non-food based sources. I still think this industry will allow investors to make money like they did from the internet boom of the 1990's, wonder which new company will be the next Cisco, E-Bay or Google? |
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Re: Alternative Fuel and Energy News Roundup
Great stuff, thanks. But I have to quote this again, with emphasis added, because I think it's hilarious:
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I sure hope many of the new ideas out there work out at the commercial level. Lots of great ideas and lots of possibilities. It would be great to greatly reduce or eliminate our need to import energy.
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This page speaks of 750 kilowatt (0.75 megawatt) windmills, and says the average annual yield is 1,806,750 kilowatt hours. http://www.ntu.org/main/press_releas...2&org_name=ntu At $0.10 per kilowatt hour, that's $180,675 in electricity per year. These windmills are MW windmills, so 1 MW / 0.75 MW = 1.33. Assuming a 1.33 increase in annual energy yield, that's 2,402,978 kilowatt hours per year and $240,297 in electricity per year. $3 million in installation costs divided by $240,297 is about 12.5, so it would take twelve and a half years to pay for itself. The bad news is, that's a long time for the installation costs to pay off. The good news is, everything after 12.5 years is almost free. You only need to cover repairs. |
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Re: Alternative Fuel and Energy News Roundup
I think the first link HoosierRon provided is the most interesting.
They claim 5-10 times the yield of other crops for biomass. Assuming they mean ethanol, at worst case yield that's corn yield 354 gallons per acre times 5 = 1770. The best case I found online was for sugar beets, at 714 gallons per acre. Multiply that by ten, and you have 7140. $25,000 installation cost for a 1770 gallon annual yield is a hard sell, at least to me. You aren't getting 1770 gallons of ethanol from that, you're getting biomass that can be converted, at some additional cost, to ethanol. Even if you get the equivalent of $1 per gallon from your yield, it takes over 14 years to pay for itself plus your annual costs in maintaining it, harvesting, supplying water, and so forth. On the other hand, 7140 gallons per acre per year changes things a lot. Assuming the farmer gets $1 per gallon equivalent, that pays for itself in less than 5 years. After the system is paid off, it would probably be, by far, the most profitable crop in the world outside of illegal drugs. One square mile farmed that way would be 640 acres * 7140 = 4.57 million gallons of fuel per year. The US currently uses about 146 billion gallons of gasoline per year. Ethanol has about 70% the energy density of gasoline, so to offset 146 billion gallons of gasoline we would need to use about 211 billion gallons of ethanol. That would require just over 46,000 square miles to offset. That's $740 billion to install, and a total area of 1.5% the surface of the continental US. That's enormous, but not impossible... and the amount of money required is huge, but likewise not impossible. Assuming they can get somewhere near their optimistic projections, they are sitting on US energy independence. Last edited by Michael_S : 05-17-2008 at 07:16 PM. |
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Yes. But if those numbers are right - and that's a big if - it would make 100% replacement of all petroleum in the US with domestic ethanol possible. That's an incredible step in the right direction. And just as importantly, it looks like it's cost effective. There are already many ways to generate petroleum replacements in US, but the hard part is finding the ones that costs less than importing foreign oil. This could be it. |
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So it looks like your 1,770 estimate would be the rock bottom possibility.
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I love this alternative but they really need to put the pedal to the medal and make enough of it to replace most oil in the next few years, not a decade. This might not be possible however even with unlimited funding. This is my primary concern.
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I'd call that pedal to the metal.
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The ideal goal is not 100% replacement of liquid fuels. Any liquid fuel alternative is an interim solution to electric vehicles, which pull from the grid - which will of be course powerd by solar, wind, nuclear, natgas and coal....not a drop of oil. |
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For years now I have heard about alternative fuels but have yet to see any come into play. I don't see it, I can't buy it, I don't hear any news of any local gas stations offering the fuel in the near future, etc. It’s great that they are building the plants but when can I buy the fuel without driving a ridiculous distance? Maybe it isn’t a concern I have about making the fuel, but more of a concern of distributing the fuel.
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