USA: Top Twenty selling Nameplates thru June 2009 Ytd

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by CamaroCrazy

So....about that Cruze.

Do you think it can't get here soon enough?

If the post and article about the future Oshawa products is correct, how is the Impala going to survive another 3-4 years without a redesign? They should just kill the thing and let the Malibu soak up the sales. Or how about the new LaCrosse? Throw it a bone.

you know I agree with you.

They should at this point kill the Impala or let the Impala be the fleet queen and allow the Malibu to reduce its fleet sales.

At the same time though they should replace the 2.4L with the 2.4L direct injection and the 3.6L with the 265BHP 3.0L V-6 engine. This should give a fuel economy boost for both the I-4 engine and the V-6 engine to give an extra incentive to get the Malibu.

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by doh

Former 10th, 13th and 19th place feel off the board.

Sigh, another 'reputable' list with something inexplicably 'off' - I think.

Perhaps just a presentation issue with a little labeling vagueness.

Going by the 08 ranking numbers ..... some don't seem to make sense.

Wonder...if thats some of your #s missing - look at 08's #5 and #6.

( There are several more as well )

I spot checked a few of the ( 08 ) volumes - the three I looked at were correct and the 09s seem right .......I dunno.....

Here is what they said a year ago -

July 1 (Reuters) - The following are the 20 top-selling
vehicles in the United States through June 2008, as reported by
the automakers.

Total sales of the top 20 vehicles fell 5.3 percent or
-155,890 units to 2,800,817.

Following is a list of the top 20 selling vehicles, ranked
by total units.
.................................................. ........C1...............C2............C4................C3

.................................................. ...........................................FULLYEA R...JUNE 2008 YTD vs JUNE 2007 YTD

RANK....VEHICLE...............................2008............2007.........'07 RANK .......%Chng

1.......... Ford F-Series P/U.................274,713........ 355,438...........1.............-22.7

2.......... Toyota Camry.......................239,881........ 240,530.......... 3..............-0.3

3.......... Chevy Silverado-C/K P/U.......231,320........ 310,896.......... 2............-25.6

4.......... Honda Accord.......................205,862........ 182,346.......... 6...........+12.9

5.......... Honda Civic..........................204,961........ 173,800..... ......8...........+17.9

6.......... Toyota Corolla.......................194,488........ 202,221............4.............-3.8

7.......... Nissan Altima........................158,006........ 140,253............9...........+12.7

8.......... Chevrolet Impala....................138,952........ 180,390............7............-23.0

9.......... Dodge Ram P/U....................128,944......... 185,257............5............-30.4

10..........Ford Focus...........................123,449..........9 6,732........ .15...........+27.6

11......... Chevrolet Cobalt....................114,250....... ..96,437............14...........+18.5

12......... Honda CR-V.........................104,811..........104,179 .........11............+0.6

13......... Ford Escape..........................92,065..........92 ,205..... .......17............-0.2

14..........Toyota Prius ..........................91,440......... .94,503............16............-3.2

15..........Chevrolet Malibu.....................88,575........ ..67,499.............26.........+31.2

16......... Ford Fusion............................87,923.......... 78,695............20.........+11.7

17.........GM Pontiac G6.......................85,682...........69,955.. ...........28.........+22.5

18.........GMC Sierra P/U.....................83,174........ ...99,293..... .......12.........-16.2

19..........Toyota Tundra........................76,516...........82, 516.............23.......... -7.3

20.........Chrysler Caravan....................75,805.........103,562. .... ........10.........-26.8
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http://www.reuters.com/article/CARMF...30805220080701

I'm going to guess that "full year rank" explains it.

[chinamonty]

Forget about fuel.If you cant get credit fuel doesn't even enter the equation. I would think fleet sales would squewed that figures a lot.

[BrickTamland]

Originally Posted by minnfang

Another bit of proof of what happens when the price of gas drops...

Toyota Corolla / Matrix -37.5%
Honda Civic -42.2%
Ford Focus -43.8%
Chevrolet Cobalt -54.8%

Originally Posted by zete

And I said last year when the price of gas drops -- as I said it would -- folks would just flock back to trucks. And they did. I have a whole rant about that, but I'm tired of typing it in. I await the inevitable climb in gas prices to result in more bellyaching by next summer.

Except truck sales are down in the thirty-percent range as well...Only a rare few are bucking the trend of this recession; the key word as to why vehicle sales are declining.

[jbernie]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

You guys do know that the market is down by a great deal right?

Nope didn't realize that

Look at the numbers again for Corolla, Civic, Focus, Prius, Cobalt, they are close to having the 5 worst negative percentages. In theory cheap/fuel efficent should be least affected but they are basically the worst affected.. of the top 20. And it wont just be the old Domestic = fleet rule as the Prius was off over 50%

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by jbernie

Nope didn't realize that

Look at the numbers again for Corolla, Civic, Focus, Prius, Cobalt, they are close to having the 5 worst negative percentages. In theory cheap/fuel efficent should be least affected but they are basically the worst affected.. of the top 20. And it wont just be the old Domestic = fleet rule as the Prius was off over 50%

2007-2009

trucks

Ford F-150

355,438 - 179,632 -50%

Chevy Silverado

310,896 - 149,949 -52%

Dodge Ram

185,257 - 94,516 -49%

toyota Tundra

82,516 - 36,106 -56%



compacts

Honda civic

173,800 - 118,459 -32%

Toyota Corolla

202,221 - 121,643 -40%

Ford Focus

96,732 - 69,354 -28%

Chevy Cobalt

96,437 - 51,676 -46%

The reason that this is important to look back over a 2 year period is because last year was under circumstances and this year is also under circumstances however are different. Fuel prices being high creates a circumstance where consumers look for more fuel economic vehicles while gas prices have been pretty low due to the poor economy and the credit crisis has most likely taken an even chunk out of sells. With the lower gas prices altering the balance, however even with gas prices lower trucks have still suffered more then compacts and we must remember that the Cobalt for example is about to get replaced by the Chevy Cruze and the Focus isn't the best car out there.

Its like when the big 3 had their employee discount sales which greatly inflated their sales figures then the next year they had to compare to greatly inflated sales figures. So looking at the year before was more telling about what the sales trends are and in this case the sales trends are that trucks are being hit harder then compacts.

[blue3231]

Originally Posted by CUtiger08

Those are from the second column, the 2008 numbers... the 2009 numbers are Camry: 150,242 and Silverado: 149,949 and are in the first column.

Yeah, but the 2008 numbers are:

Toyota Camry / Solara........239,881..... 3

Chevy Silverado-C/K P/U.....231,320..... 2

How was the Silverado 2nd when it sold 8,561 less than Camry/Solara? Maybe the ranking originally didn't include Solara? Or it's simply an error.

Originally Posted by zete

And I said last year when the price of gas drops -- as I said it would -- folks would just flock back to trucks. And they did. I have a whole rant about that, but I'm tired of typing it in. I await the inevitable climb in gas prices to result in more bellyaching by next summer.

That could be one component. But we're also in a recession. The typical entry level buyer (Cobalt/Civic/Corolla) might have been hit harder.

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by blue3231

Yeah, but the 2008 numbers are:

Toyota Camry / Solara........239,881..... 3

Chevy Silverado-C/K P/U.....231,320..... 2

How was the Silverado 2nd when it sold 8,561 less than Camry/Solara? Maybe the ranking originally didn't include Solara? Or it's simply an error.



That could be one component. But we're also in a recession. The typical entry level buyer (Cobalt/Civic/Corolla) might have been hit harder.

The 3 for the Camry and 2 for the Silverado are based on 2007 figures where the Silverado actually did outsell the Camry.

[hotrod1949]

Even with only people who need full size trucks buying them, they still account for 25% of the sales on this top 20 list, interesting...

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by hotrod1949

Even with only people who need full size trucks buying them, they still account for 25% of the sales on this top 20 list, interesting...

Granted that you only have 5 choices when it comes to full size pickups which means more sales to go around fewer vehicles which means more vehicles in the top 20.

The single biggest market segment is if memory serves me right mid size sedans followed by compacts.

Consider this, the top 20 account for about 50% of all sales so far for this year and the only full size pickup truck that isn't on this list is the Nissan Titan, so 25% of 50% = 12.5%.

So based on this rough guess the full size pickups are around 12.5% of the total US market right now............

[hotrod1949]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

Granted that you only have 5 choices when it comes to full size pickups which means more sales to go around fewer vehicles which means more vehicles in the top 20.

The single biggest market segment is if memory serves me right mid size sedans followed by compacts.

Consider this, the top 20 account for about 50% of all sales so far for this year and the only full size pickup truck that isn't on this list is the Nissan Titan, so 25% of 50% = 12.5%.

So based on this rough guess the full size pickups are around 12.5% of the total US market right now............

So if the domestics gear for 10% of the market... They are after all looking for profit per sale.

[AMERICA 123]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

The 3 for the Camry and 2 for the Silverado are based on 2007 figures where the Silverado actually did outsell the Camry.

63GrandSport001 - added some stuff to the lists to make it clearer ie to correct for their poor presentation.

C1 ....C2 .....C4.....C3 is the more logical order of their numbers - which supports what you are saying, I hope ?, I think ?.

In other words ( C1 C2 and C3 ) YTD 'go together' and C4 ( CYR ) goes by itself, last.

Basically they 'mixed up' their column order between C3 and C4 ie reversed them and were too sparse in their labeling ..

[kenman923]

Originally Posted by Simon says

WOW! Go Ford! The only domestic automaker with two entries in the top ten slots #1 and #9 for a total of four in the entire list . . .

I remember when almost half of the top ten were Ford: F-150, Taurus, Explorer, Tempo and Escort. Those were the days . . .

Also, the only U.S. car company that didn't take bailout money.

[dindak]

Originally Posted by minnfang

Another bit of proof of what happens when the price of gas drops...

Toyota Corolla / Matrix -37.5%
Honda Civic -42.2%
Ford Focus -43.8%
Chevrolet Cobalt -54.8%

A guy down the street just bought a new Tahoe.. he replaced a 4 cyl Malibu.

Higher gas prices are coming... don't kid yourself.

[dindak]

Originally Posted by kenman923

Also, the only U.S. car company that didn't take bailout money.

Didn't take "bailout money" but did take millions from the government 2 weeks ago to pay for the development of new efficient and alternative energy cars. Of course that all flew under the radar.