Trucks are big again, and other Oct. 2009 sales news -- w/top-20 sellers list

[Chaz_23]

This is pretty sad:

Camry 30k
Corolla 26k
Accord 23k
Civic 16k
Altima 15k
Prius 13k

Fusion 13k
Impala 13k
Malibu 12k
Focus 10k

[bradyholt]

Originally Posted by goatgary

You are right. But those who panicked and dumped their Tahoe for a small car had buyers remorse after about two days and will not repeat that mistake again.

If you have stuff and a family....you NEED a family hauler not a cramped econobox.

The Tahoe is not a space-efficient vehicle. If you need a lot of room, there's a huge happy medium between it and a subcompact.

[TuffG929]

Originally Posted by Bravada

Listen to this guy - actual facts might clash with your vision of the world, but they remain facts.

Originally Posted by OLDSCHOOLGMFAN

Boy, we have clear FACTS/NUMBERS right here showing the popularity of trucks in this country, and some folks hate it so badly that they REFUSE to acknowledge that popularity.

The number 1 & 2 sellers are big trucks, PERIOD.

All the anti-big vehicle hatred in the world will NOT change those FACTS, if you hate that trucks/big vehicles are popular in America, oh well too bad. Your hatred won't stop making them popular, so just deal with it.

Trucks/big vehicles are popular in this country, PERIOD.

Wow....I never said I hate trucks. I drive a Suburban almost every day. I love trucks. They're the reason I consider myself a GM fan. Trucks have always been popular in America and they will continue to be well into the foreseeable future. I'm just reluctant to call this a win because the market still sucks. I'm not the one ignoring facts. I readily accept them and even did research and found some more. My main issue was with the article's mention of the Tahoe selling around 7500 units in October, and as I said before 90,000(the current annualized rate) is very far from the 209,000 (peak annual sales) Tahoes Chevy used to sell per year. So, in short, October was a good month for Tahoe (with respect to the immediate circumstances), but it is hardly a return to the good old days (gee I swear I said that before). If you guys can't understand that fact (I'm not holding my breath) then I don't think I can help you. Your "vison of the world" must be too far off base.

Again... (I must make sure you understand this) I love trucks, but i think this article is overstating the situation (i.e. the market, specifically for full-size SUVs, has not yet recovered and may never reach the numbers they once achieved).

[V8GMT360 Guy]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

There are people who hate big trucks?

Most of them drive these:

[CamaroZ28Power!]

Originally Posted by Chaz_23

This is pretty sad:

Camry 30k
Corolla 26k
Accord 23k
Civic 16k
Altima 15k
Prius 13k

Fusion 13k
Impala 13k
Malibu 12k
Focus 10k

I agree - the Malibu is at least as good a car as Camry/Accord, if not better. It should be selling on par with those cars. GM needs to keep up the ads which compare their products to the competition; perhaps eventually less people will be drinking the Kool-Aid.

[V8GMT360 Guy]

For the record, as someone who owns a full-size truck, I have to say that I'm one of those who will never be without one ever, regardless of gas prices/etc.

Now, that being said, I also will not have my truck be my only vehicle. The simple fact is that a crew cab Sierra IS too big for some situations, which is why I have an Envoy Denali as well. I can drive it whenever/wherever the big truck can't or shouldn't go.

I think that as far as the truck market goes, we'll find that in the coming years sales of "loaded" trucks with lots of luxury options and equipment will decline, replaced by an increase in the number of work truck models sold. I know that for me, when my current truck does wear out (probably not for another 10-15 years) I'll likely replace it with a 3/4 ton work truck and stick to buying a loaded SUV/CUV or sedan for daily driving duties.

For utility and convenience, though, there's no way I will be found not owning a truck. Ever.

[bradyholt]

Originally Posted by TuffG929

Wow....I never said I hate trucks. I drive a Suburban almost every day. I love trucks. They're the reason I consider myself a GM fan. Trucks have always been popular in America and they will continue to be well into the foreseeable future. I'm just reluctant to call this a win because the market still sucks. I'm not the one ignoring facts. I readily accept them and even did research and found some more. My main issue was with the article's mention of the Tahoe selling around 7500 units in October, and as I said before 90,000(the current annualized rate) is very far from the 209,000 (peak annual sales) Tahoes Chevy used to sell per year. So, in short, October was a good month for Tahoe (with respect to the immediate circumstances), but it is hardly a return to the good old days (gee I swear I said that before). If you guys can't understand that fact (I'm not holding my breath) then I don't think I can help you. Your "vison of the world" must be too far off base.

Again... (I must make sure you understand this) I love trucks, but i think this article is overstating the situation (i.e. the market, specifically for full-size SUVs, has not yet recovered and may never reach the numbers they once achieved).

The article doesn't say everything is the way it was before. However, an annualized 90,000 units is still very strong for a high-profit gas-guzzler. And considering that last year's numbers pushed GM to dump plans to sell large truck-based SUVs, the fact that the Tahoe now sells at more than twice that rate is very significant.

[N8s07ss]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

I completely agree that this isn't true, a wagon or a big car even a mid sized sedan can move a family around just fine.

He wasn't referring to ALL "families" (is it typical for families to have 3 adults btw?). I think he's more concerned about families of 3 or more kids (you know, the other half of the families, considering 2.3 avg. kids per family)? Try cramming a carseat & 2 more kids in a back seat AND all of the luggage in your "hatch" or trunk. Sure, you can do it, but is it worth it at the behest of your sanity?

[TuffG929]

Originally Posted by bradyholt

The article doesn't say everything is the way it was before.

Title reads "Trucks are big again". This infers that things are in some way as they were before.

However, an annualized 90,000 units is still very strong for a high-profit gas-guzzler. And considering that last year's numbers pushed GM to dump plans to sell large truck-based SUVs, the fact that the Tahoe now sells at more than twice that rate is very significant.

Actually, GM sold 91,578 units in 2008 and and it forced them to reconsider their plans. Given that they sold half this anualized rate in september, I think they'd be lucky to match last years performance.

Disclaimer: The fact that I present evidence that contradicts what some of you believe (i.e. GM is out of the woods) doesn't meen I don't like trucks, or in some way don't want GM to succeed, or want everyone to drive a god-awful prius. October was a good month relative to the immediate circumstances but, there is a bigger picture.

[calgaryhhr]

Originally Posted by N8s07ss

He wasn't referring to ALL "families" (is it typical for families to have 3 adults btw?). I think he's more concerned about families of 3 or more kids (you know, the other half of the families, considering 2.3 avg. kids per family)? Try cramming a carseat & 2 more kids in a back seat AND all of the luggage in your "hatch" or trunk. Sure, you can do it, but is it worth it at the behest of your sanity?

If you look back it was stated: "If you have stuff and a family....you NEED a family hauler not a cramped econobox." That sounds like a reference to "all families" because it wasn't qualified that some families can live without a larger vehicle to haul them around.

In my statement I made reference to 3 three adults because a many of the excursions will probably be mother and father and a grandparent along with the child.

[SteveK364]

Wait a minute. Those figures can't be real! Richard Shelby said people don't want to drive trucks.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Achelous

Lighten up!

I will "lightern up" when folks STOP trying to turn their sick hatred of big vehicles into some kind of "objective facts".

As much as you have your opinion about full size trucks, others can make some very good arguments as to why we as a nation should begin to move away from them.

You just hate big vehicles, stop trying to make it into something else ,period.

Trucks will certainly always have a place in the American vehicle landscape, but I live in a place where brainless teenagers with sideways hats drive lifted Silverados with exhaust around like they're corvettes. And trust me, it gets old. I have nothing but respect for a person that buys a truck and uses it for what it's meant to be used for. But for each of those theres someone that "needs" to use a lifted Excursion to commute down the 5 freeway alone at 95mph.

I guess you have no problem with these same teenagers doing Mario Andretti impressions on public streets and highways in Corvettes, simply because precious sports cars can do NO wrong..........

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Originally Posted by Ambalanche

Having $6,000.00 cash on the hood didn't hurt either.

Point this out about the G8 and watch people cry their little eyes out. NO G8 EVER has nor EVER will sell even as much as the TITAN OR TUNDRA, let alone the Silvy, F-Series, or Ram!

[quote]

Originally Posted by calgaryhhr

That is not always true. I will be hauling around my family in a Chevy HHR or a VW Golf starting in December. Both of those are small, compact vehicles and I have no need for anything larger. Both vehicles will swallow 3 adults and a car seat and a stoller and some other necessary gear with ease.

If you want to cramp your family around in one of those toys, that's YOUR choices, but DON'T try to say that big families don't need big vehicles, because it's simply NOT true!



[quote]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

As stated before these statistics do not give an accurate picture at what the market looks like............

No full size pick up trucks are not as popular as mid sized sedans, mid sized sedans make up something like 17-18% of the total US market while full size pickups only make up about 10% of the total US market one would call that not as popular. As stated you have a choice of 5 full size pick-ups with 3 of them being low sellers (selling 10,000 units a month is a low selling relatively speaking). Mid sized sedans are more popular then full size pickups, compacts are more popular then full sized pickups, and I believe cross overs are also more popular then full sized pickups (even though the Ford and Chevy both saw a spike in sales following truck month incentives and compared to last year where gas prices were sky high). Its been proven that if you lower the price on these things they sell more.........

So yes if you are only going based on this list of top 20 selling vehicles it would seem as if full size trucks were the most popular vehicles in the US market. However if you look at the market as a whole you would know that this is the case of there being fewer full size truck choices then there are mid sized, compact, and cross over choices and as a result the sales are split between fewer vehicle in the full size truck market allowing for them to hit the top 2 spots last month. In other words if you spread all sales out evenly then the top would be mid sized second would be compacts third probably crossovers and fourth full size pickup trucks(or maybe third).

You are just clinging on to this one article and ignoring facts because its what you want to believe. You must know full well that after this month is over truck sales will drop down (compared to last month).

OH please! I can play the same game! WHAT midsize sedans are as popular as the Camry & Accord? WHAT compacts are as popular as the Civic and Corolla? You ain't making no damn sense! It don't matter how many dang big pickups are on the market! The FACTS are that the Silvy, F-Series, and Ram are CONSISTENTLY in the top ten in sales, often with the first two LEADING the top ten in sales, that means that big trucks ARE popular, no matter WHAT kind of spin you try to put on it! You want to talk "FACTS", then acknowledge the FACT that these three big pickups are CONSISTENTLY among the TOP TEN BEST SELLING VEHICLES IN THE COUNTRY MONTH AFTER DANG MONTH, PERIOD! Also, the Ram's 10,000+ a month may be small compared to Silvy/F-Series numbers, but it's STILL a good sales number by regular vehicle standards! It's more than some compacts and midsizes, so they ARE MAINSTREAM good sales numbers!

[quote]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

I completely agree that this isn't true, a wagon or a big car even a mid sized sedan can move a family around just fine.

More nonsensical big vehicle hatred.

[quote]

Originally Posted by armycam68

Well.........there's one born everyday.........you know a sucker! My friend went looking for a Ford Ranger/Chevy Colorado/Dodge Dakota and came home with a Dodge Ram Hemi Quad Cab..........because for just a few more dollars he bought the big comfortable truck.........now a month later he wonders about what the hell he did.... especially since gas prices in our area went from $2.09 to now $2.75/gallon.
It's the American way.........always looking for a bargain! So, 0% for six years.........see you in 2015! Oh, but wait, in two years when gas is $4.00/gallon these cowboys will be back at the dealership trying to trade an upside down loan on a Chevy Cobalt or a four-banger Malibu. The really crazy ones will buy a Harley at $20K to save gas.........
On the other hand, if you want something that is reliable, comfortable, safe, then the Silverado is your thing. Just don't bitch when it won't fit in a parking space at Walmart!
GM sat on their thumbs worrying about the really big trucks and forgot that it doesn't have to rival a Kenworth to haul a sheet of plywood.
It's greeed on GM's part and just plain stupid on the consumers' part.........I'm still wating for a nice, midsize, reliable truck that tows 5000 pounds that fits in the garage, a Walmart parking space, and has a turning radius less than a ballfield.

Just because someone doesn't want what you want, some midsize truck. don't make them no fool.


Everyone who thinks there's no big vehicle hatred on this site, PLEASE see this thread!

[Flyingbunnys]

I like trucks plus my insurance company gives me a utility vehicle discound on trucks, not to mention less taxes I have to pay on em, at least her in VA. Trucks will never go away the Ford F-150 will never die 23 years at number 1 can't be wrong and 31 years and best truck also cant be wrong. It was first produced in 1948 makeing it also the longest running model ever. Trucks tule America and always will.

[OLDSCHOOLGMFAN]

Originally Posted by Flyingbunnys

I like trucks plus my insurance company gives me a utility vehicle discound on trucks, not to mention less taxes I have to pay on em, at least her in VA. Trucks will never go away the Ford F-150 will never die 23 years at number 1 can't be wrong and 31 years and best truck also cant be wrong. It was first produced in 1948 makeing it also the longest running model ever. Trucks tule America and always will.

THANK YOU & EXACTLY.

[m100]

Camry 30k
Corolla 26k
Accord 23k
Civic 16k
Altima 15k
Prius 13k

Man thats one big snooze fest right there