October 2009 Ford Sales: Up 3% - Page 4

2002 Caddy · 11-03-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fp115

That was the entire Lincoln brand that is apparently doing "extremely" well according to Simon.

Also Cadillac sold: 11,602 vehicles. Almost as much as Lincoln and Mercury combined.

You said "cars"

K-1 · 11-03-2009, 04:46 PM

FWIW, Ward's has the actual market share based on total sales (link):

Code:

		Oct		Oct			% Share
		2009		2008		Reported	Year-Ago

Chrysler	65,511		94,042		7.8		11.3
Ford		134,838		129,405		16.1		15.5
GM		176,662		168,785		21.1		20.2
Honda		85,502		85,864		10.2		10.3
Nissan		60,115		56,947		7.2		6.8
Toyota		152,165		152,101		18.2		18.2

Looks like everyone is grabbing share from ChryCo.

fp115 · 11-03-2009, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2002 Caddy

You said "cars"

Whatever I said, the number quoted was total vehicles sold.

Simon says · 11-03-2009, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K-1

FWIW, Ward's has the actual market share based on total sales (link):

Code:

		Oct		Oct			% Share
		2009		2008		Reported	Year-Ago

Chrysler	65,511		94,042		7.8		11.3
Ford		134,838		129,405		16.1		15.5
GM		176,662		168,785		21.1		20.2
Honda		85,502		85,864		10.2		10.3
Nissan		60,115		56,947		7.2		6.8
Toyota		152,165		152,101		18.2		18.2

Looks like everyone is grabbing share from ChryCo.

Oh wow! Do fp115 was right after all . . . Ford's market share was 16.1 higher than what Pipas said . . . . fluff, a lot of it.

Extreme4x4 · 11-03-2009, 05:13 PM

Real facts, and real numbers are so much less interesting than made up numbers, and fantasy.

Geez Simon, I would think you would get that.

BrickTamland · 11-03-2009, 05:29 PM

The hell is going on here?

I mean this thread, not Ford's sales results.

fp115 · 11-03-2009, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K-1

FWIW, Ward's has the actual market share based on total sales (link):

Code:

		Oct		Oct			% Share
		2009		2008		Reported	Year-Ago

Chrysler	65,511		94,042		7.8		11.3
Ford		134,838		129,405		16.1		15.5
GM		176,662		168,785		21.1		20.2
Honda		85,502		85,864		10.2		10.3
Nissan		60,115		56,947		7.2		6.8
Toyota		152,165		152,101		18.2		18.2

Looks like everyone is grabbing share from ChryCo.

This proves exactly what I said. That Ford made an assumption based on fluff and tried to go on with it. Most of the other automakers said "estimated" but Ford said it was the actual number.

I thought Ford had all this data Simon and Wescoent

Simon says · 11-03-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BrickTamland

The hell is going on here?

I mean this thread, not Ford's sales results.

Just fp having a hard time digesting the idea that Ford is doing things right. Not much else.

Much ado about nothing.

AMERICA 123 · 11-03-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon says

Lovely . . . the new Taurus seem to be taking off nicely.

Maybe - maybe not.

Eh, it is not exactly clear and is most definitely dependent on interpretation - and future results.

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Taurus

6,076 2009
2,517 2008
141.4 % change

33,692 2009 YTD
46,167 2008 YTD
-27.0% change

Which leads to the reality that once you take out the F Series, the Fusion, the Escape, and the Focus -

__________

Quote:

Originally Posted by fp115

This proves exactly what I said. That Ford made an assumption based on fluff and tried to go on with it. Most of the other automakers said "estimated" but Ford said it was the actual number.

I thought Ford had all this data Simon and Wescoent

Unfortunately, Ford and certain 'proponents' of Ford are in annoying fashion beginning to sound an awful like Toyota and their 'boosters' etc.

- Gone to the other side of - " over the top "

Simon says · 11-03-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

Maybe - maybe not.

Eh, it is not exactly clear and is most definitely dependent on interpretation - and future results.

Which leads to the reality that once you take out the F Series, the Fusion, the Escape, and the Focus -

Oh well, I guess you can say that, but only if you chose to ignore the fact that the current Taurus has been only two month in the market . . .

I guess some of you will never forgive Ford for . . . GM having had to go bankrupt . . . weird!

AdmiralViscen · 11-03-2009, 10:54 PM

6,000 Taurus sales don't seem too impressive. Wasn't the Five Hundred doing like 10-12,000 a month for a while?

vcs2600 · 11-04-2009, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AdmiralViscen

6,000 Taurus sales don't seem too impressive. Wasn't the Five Hundred doing like 10-12,000 a month for a while?

Are you thinking of the old fleetster Taurus? 500 never sold worth beans.

Compared to the current (large premium sedan) competition, Ford is likely quite happy with the results:

Ford Taurus: 6,076
Nissan Maxima: 4,593
Buick LaCrosse: 3,228
Chrysler 300: 2,914
Toyota Avalon: 2,539

Extreme4x4 · 11-04-2009, 02:26 AM

I would say ecstatic is more like it.

AMERICA 123 · 11-04-2009, 02:56 AM

Again, maybe - maybe not or if you prefer, it could "yes" & "not quite" & " - gulp, nope ".

Vcs2600 certainly gives a strong indication of the "yes" part.

However........all things considered the new LaCrosse with the smaller total number is quite possibly more impressive and there is the way Ford set up the reporting to consider ie deliberately incomplete - when considered in the light of their 12.5% retail market share.

To see this possible concern consider -

Quote:

* All-new Ford Taurus sales totaled 6,076, up 141 percent versus a year ago. Dealers reported retail sales nearly tripled year-ago levels.

Now determine the actual number of units retailed and the number fleeted.

Here, also from the report you will want Taurus volume s -

6,076 2009

2,517 2008

Simon says · 11-04-2009, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMERICA 123

Again, maybe - maybe not or if you prefer, it could "yes" & "not quite" & " - gulp, nope ".

Vcs2600 certainly gives a strong indication of the "yes" part.

However........all things considered the new LaCrosse with the smaller total number is quite possibly more impressive and there is the way Ford set up the reporting to consider ie deliberately incomplete - when considered in the light of their 12.5% retail market share.

To see this possible concern consider -

Now determine the actual number of units retailed and the number fleeted.

Here, also from the report you will want Taurus volume s -

6,076 2009

2,517 2008

Your cryptic messages don't make sense are getting old and frankly are not as interesting as you think.

You have no idea what was the Taurus retail v. fleet sales ratio but for the sake of arguing what you don't know you are assuming they were very lopsided towards fleets. Well, when you begin with wrong assumptions you end with crappy conclusions. Ford has been lowering production and thus not shoving unwanted large sedans down the fleet buyers throats for a few years now so tripling retail is huge especially when you consider that the sales jump was 141% and not 300%

I find funny and nonetheless pathetic how people like you and a few other can't forgive Ford for . . . GM's bankruptcy. Believe me, it was all GM's doing Ford had NOTHING to do with it.

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Extreme4x4 4.6 Liter Northstar V8 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,522	Re: October 2009 Ford Sales: Up 3% Real facts, and real numbers are so much less interesting than made up numbers, and fantasy. Geez Simon, I would think you would get that.

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BrickTamland 6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waterville, OH Drives: 2007 Mazda 3 s Posts: 6,102	Re: October 2009 Ford Sales: Up 3% The hell is going on here? I mean this thread, not Ford's sales results. __________________ I reject your reality and substitute my own. Current: Galaxy Gray 2007 Mazda 3 s Grand Touring Former: Super Black 2003 Nissan Maxima SE Brilliant Blue Metallic 1995 Ford Explorer XLT 4WD

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AdmiralViscen 6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 7,758	Re: October 2009 Ford Sales: Up 3% 6,000 Taurus sales don't seem too impressive. Wasn't the Five Hundred doing like 10-12,000 a month for a while? __________________ God Bless the Blue Bullet.

11-04-2009, 02:26 AM	#58 (permalink)
Extreme4x4 4.6 Liter Northstar V8 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,522	Re: October 2009 Ford Sales: Up 3% I would say ecstatic is more like it.

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