March U.S. Car Sales By Model

[mgescuro]

What's interesting to note is that the 9-3 and the 9-5 aren't very behind in sales compared to the S60 and S80.

If saab only had enough product... and more updated versions..

[RWD60]

i agree the Big 3 dominate in fullsized trucks right now .. i'm just warning that they've learned how to do smaller ones, so don't assume they won't learn how to do big ones. but the reverse is true, the Big 3 may be able to hold this ground after losing nearly everything else (finally start winning when backed into a corner). but brand loyalty is being built by these small trucks, and the engineers and marketing folks at toyota and nissan are as good as any... so the Big 3 (and thier fans) better not underestimate them.

[kenman923]

Looks like the Cobalt really is selling well. Who would have thought?

[lio45]

Originally Posted by desmo9

So Toyota's selling more cars in this country than Ford and Chrysler (including all global brands for each) ...

Including global brands for each? No.

Look again. Mazda is NOT included with Ford.

When one includes Mazda sales... FoMoCo still sells more CARS in America than Toyota.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by ChevroletRevived

That is so not true about 60% fleet; GM is cutting back on that, and the Impala is selling for higher prices then ever before. It has VERY good reliability also. You've been against the Impala since Day 1, wpb.

Last data we saw (here on GMI, by the way), Impala sales mix was 62% fleet, 38% retail. Can you show us newer numbers to prove your statement that "GM is cutting back on that"?

[RWD60]

Originally Posted by lio45

Including global brands for each? No.

Look again. Mazda is NOT included with Ford.

When one includes Mazda sales... FoMoCo still sells more CARS in America than Toyota.

good point. why doesn't mazda count for Ford in sales numbers?? Ford owns a controlling share of thier stock IIRC, and most of their products share platforms/parts with Fords (everything they sell here but the Miata and RX-8 so far as i know).

[vsd]

Originally Posted by SUPERBADD75

uh, okay. the Cobalt was introduced in 2005, the Corolla in 2003. more importantly the Cobalt is all new on a new platform whereas the Corolla is more or less an update, albeit a rather extensive one. the fact that the Cobalt only outsold the Corolla by 10 units with a performance variant available is pretty sad IMO. i don't think that's worth cheering over.

just to clarify the current corolla went on sale in january 2002 as a 2003 model, but yeah the fact that that a brand new platform is beating one designed in the 90's is not that that great, and since the cobalt is bound to be around on the same basic platform for many years to come, kinda like the cavalier before it, we'll see who's selling more next year when toyota releases the new corolla.

[New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66]

Originally Posted by vsd

just to clarify the current corolla went on sale in january 2002 as a 2003 model, but yeah the fact that that a brand new platform is beating one designed in the 90's is not that that great, and since the cobalt is bound to be around on the same basic platform for many years to come, kinda like the cavalier before it, we'll see who's selling more next year when toyota releases the new corolla.

I disagree. I think GM knows that they can't keep platforms unchanged for years like they used to. Especially, with all the competitors bringing out new products in the middle of GM's production swings. GM kept products unchanged for years, I believe, to get value back from the expense incurred to tool-up for said products. You know, to get the most for the money spent on machinery and such. Milk the products for all they're worth, if you will.

I believe, products will now get face-lifts (upgraded interiors, exterior ugrades) to keep the products fresh during a products life-cycle. I think we should expect maybe products to get major updates every 5 years or so. At least that is my hope.

For instance, the next G6 is probably being designed as we speak. And it may get tweaks before the new one comes out.

That is my hope.

[sigma]

The G6 and Malibu need more than tweaks, they need an Extreme interior make-over.

The number of Impala sales going to fleets has decreased significantly. That 60/40 split was from the last days of the '05, when GM needed to move cars and the Impala clearly wasn't competitive. This new one is competitive, and according to GM a healthy share of orders (more than projected, I would guess based on what I saw at my local dealers lot) close to 10% of the Impalas are of the SS and another 10-15% are of the LTZ trim. Also alot of LT3's with the 3900VVT were on the lot. According to a salesman I asked, they were moving fairly well.

[xioix]

Originally Posted by PeterPuck

Then we should include HHR sales for the Cobalt, shouldn't we?

The full name for the Matrix is the Corolla Matrix, is the HHR's Cobalt HHR?

[FireFox89]

Jetta wagon (I) 1

wonder who owns that single jetta wagon rofl :p

[desmo9]

Originally Posted by lio45

Including global brands for each? No.

Look again. Mazda is NOT included with Ford.

When one includes Mazda sales... FoMoCo still sells more CARS in America than Toyota.

Oh, that makes me feel much better. Totally changes my point.

And Ford doesn't own 100% of Mazda, right?

[mjd1001]

Originally Posted by ChevroletRevived

Hello, Aura? Hello, G6? Are you there G6?

GM has a larger share of the sedan market then Toyota does. The Aura is a Camry-killer!

After seeing the pictures of the production Aura (although it's not the greatest picture, we can see the front end and got some of the engine specs), I have my doubts about it being a Camry Killer.

I think you will probably have to combine sales of the Impala, Monte Carlo, Aura and it's sister car the G6 just to equal the Camry.

BTW, the Camry is a bigger can than the Aura. I view the MC, Impala, Grand Prix and Lacrosse as the direct competitors to the Camry.

The Aura and G6, being slightly smaller, are more direct competitors to the Accord (which is slightly smaller than the Camry).

[sigma]

Okay, GM produces mid-size sedan's off of the Epsilon (and b/c of marketing) the W-Body platforms. So for a truely accurate number, one would need to add the sales of both together.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by desmo9

Oh, that makes me feel much better. Totally changes my point.

And Ford doesn't own 100% of Mazda, right?

They own a controlling stake, which is enough (it's as much as they can own anyway), and there's very intensive parts- and technology-sharing among Ford's "homegrown" brands and Mazda. It's an integrated part of the Ford Motor Co. family.

If your point was that "Toyota's selling more cars in this country than Ford and Chrysler (including all global brands for each)", then yes, it does change it, although it remains true that Toyota is selling more cars in the U.S. than the domestic arms of both Ford and DCX.

If your (implicit) point was that Toyota is closing fast on the domestics, that Toyota is selling an impressive amount of cars in the U.S., or that Toyota is a very worrisome menace, I don't think anyone here will disagree.