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June 2008 Sales: Toyota - down 11.5% DSR
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Re: June 2008 Sales: Toyota - down 11.5% DSR
That's odd. At the bottom of their chart, it says they had 27 selling days in 2008 and 26 in 2007. hmmm.
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Re: June 2008 Sales: Toyota - down 11.5% DSR
So how did Toyota the benevolent manage to be down 11.5% adj to GM the can never get it right's 8%?
Year over year Toyota makes more cars, last year said they were #1 in production yet #2 in sales(extra cars ) then earlier this year said they were down due to a shortage in supply. How is this possible? Are they stockpiling cars to be the official car company of the apocalypse? Or are people starting to see them for what they really are; dowdy looking, average reliability(and falling) overpriced Walmart appliances?Personally I think the pack has caught the leader and now there are better choices for the masses. |
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Re: June 2008 Sales: Toyota - down 11.5% DSR
And Honda's hybrid Civic sales are off, too.
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Re: June 2008 Sales: Toyota - down 11.5% DSR
Awesome news! Almost as good as GM regaining 2 points of market share!
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Re: June 2008 Sales: Toyota - down 11.5% DSR
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Seasonality. June is always the down month following the HUGE month of May. Same is true for all makers. Note that while the Corolla was down because of less days of selling it was still No 1 in the entire industry. The entire industry is down in June. July is a bigger month then August is the biggest month, Sept down, Oct down, Nov down then up again in December, down BIG TIME in January and the cycle starts again. May and August are the two biggest months of the year. |
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Re: June 2008 Sales: Toyota - down 11.5% DSR
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Maybe but it doesn't seem like battery production would go down from last year. Market manipulation???
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Re: June 2008 Sales: Toyota - down 11.5% DSR
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Honda.... 19200 HCH vs 19100 HCH + HAH last year Toyota... 145,100 hybrids vs 146,500 hybrids last year Ford...... doesn't report separately but I'd expect them to be flat as well That last statement from Toprak is really important. |
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Re: June 2008 Sales: Toyota - down 11.5% DSR
Ford sells about 25K Hybrid Escapes a year. They are limited by availability of certain parts.
Things will change significantly when the '10 Fusion and Milan Hybrid comes out at the beginning of next year. |
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Re: June 2008 Sales: Toyota - down 11.5% DSR
Some part of that is there - because 'retail' sales performances last year were so weak - in every sense possible - that planned production schedules were cut.
So 'OK' a battery 'shortage' - due to 'demand' - as in 'weak' - for the last ten years and seven months - but especially last year ![]() ![]() ![]() Then there are the higher than expected costs - and subsidies - all of them - over that same period of time. ![]() ![]() ![]() ************************************************** Three words, a component, and a country : Rare earth 'materials' - magnets - China. One concept : Hoarding, thru the Japanese Government provided strategic reserve for the new product coming later is now necessary. All the rest is Spin to cover up what's really happening. ************************************************* Quote:
Here is just one aspect of their bigger than realized fail last month. Btw, you can do this with all of Toyota's line up - many of the conventional powertrain choices are even worse . US (TMS) hybrid sales for JUNE 2008 Model.....................Units...........vs. last month (MAY 2008) Prius....................11,765.................-21.6% Camry...................3,054..................-49.1% Highlander..............1,511.................-42.9% RX400h.................1,330.................-38.3% LS600hL....................73..................-34.8% GS450h.....................73..................-25.5% **************************************** For comparison. All hybrids.............24,917...............-30.1% All vehicles...1,189,108.................-14.9% ***************************************** Also, there is a really neat graph in the upper right hand corner of the original linked article that charts Toyota versus the industry as a whole. Maybe somebody can post it up - it knocks all the Toyota spin on this thread outta' da' park. Here is the address. http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi...7090377&Ref=AR ****************************************** Come to think of it............ this matters as well ........ from the original linked article. Quote:
Then there is this. TOYOTA RETAIL SALES (INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII) May, 2008 .......................----- CURRENT MONTH -- -- ------- CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE -- .................................................. ................DSR %.......................................... DSR % ..............................2008.......... 2007........... CHG...... ....2008........... 2007..........CHG YARIS.................... .14,397...... .10,949......... 26.6........... .56,208..... ..37,367....... 48.1 COROLLA/MATRIX......52,826........45,238........ 12.4....... ....152,308... ..165,722....... -9.5 CAMRY/SOLARA.........51,291.... ...50,126........ -1.5.... .......198,309... ..193,900........ 0.7 AVALON.................... 4,269......... 6,435....... -36.1........ ....21,273.... ...31,861...... -34.3 PRIUS...... ...............15,011........24,009....... -39.8.............79,675.........76,747........ 2.2 SCION xA....................... 4......... .1,297..... ..-99.7................. 35............8,096..... -99.6 SCION xB...................5,351......... 3,658........ 40.9.............21,241..... ..13,331....... 56.9 SCION tC...................5,166........ .6,615....... -24.8...... ......19,575..... ..27,041...... -28.7 SCION xD... ...............4,337............... 0............ -..............13,153.............. -............ - Worth noting, look how weak they were thru April2008 - even with fleet sales and incentives - and at 3.20$ plus/gallon gasoline costs. COROLLA/MATRIX 32,435 32,289 -7.3 99,482 120,484 -18.2 ************************************************** *************************** So, some industry 'judge the OEM' numbers. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008...v-sa.html#more Quote:
Does anyone recall the last time Toyota performed below the industry averages ? This maybe one of their all time worst performances since introducing Lexus - maybe further back than that. ************************************************** *************************** Some interesting segment data. Segment totals, ranked by Jun unit sales ............Jun2008.....%ChgfromJun'07....YTD2008. ...%ChgfromYTD2007 Cars.......661,048...........-7.9.................3,845,544.............-1.5 Midsize...290,584..........-12.1.................1,773,582.............-2.8 Small......261,877.............6.8................ 1,393,509.............10.6 Luxury.....98,227...........-21.6...................606,617...........-14.9 Large.......10,360...........-37.2.....................71,836...........-32.7 ************************************************** ******* LD TR.....528,060...........-28.4................3,566,138............-17.9 Pickup.....148,223...........-37.1.................1,066,427...........-23.0 CUV........184,871...........-16.6.................1,196,360............-2.8 MinVan......77,707...........-15.7...................481,770...........-19.2 Mid SUV....58,656...........-39.2...................425,033............-26.3 Lrge SUV...31,402...........-29.3..................189,690............-31.4 Small SUV..13,965...........-53.5..................115,255............-33.6 Lux SUV....13,236...........-23.5....................91,603............-12.5 Total SUV/Cross-over .............302,130..............-26.3.................2,017,94...........-14.6 Total SUV .............117,259...............-37.7.................821,581...........-27.4 Total Cross-over .............184,871...............-16.6..............1,196,360.............-2.8 From: http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/pag...=topnav_2_3000 Source: www.motorintelligence.com
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