GM Sales UP In August !!

[starlightmica]

Originally Posted by Hogans_Heroes

Careful. It was a decent month, and great in that it did not fall off a cliff. But fleet sales (primarily daily rental) were up dramatically... over 20%.

Yup, check out those Uplander numbers, up 28% when almost everything else based on a car isn't.

[pinyon]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

Wow, GMC moved almost 23,000 Sierra's last month. Does anyone know how that compared with the Tundra for August.

Also, 26% market share for the month while still lowering fleet sales is a huge accomplishment.

Also, CNN is reporting that Toyota lost market share this month, and saw a net loss of total vehicles sold.

I am guessing this is them loosing truck market share back to GM, as GM's car sales dipped 8%.

Looks like 18,919 Tundras sold in August.

[jkennedy293]

Originally Posted by T-Type

That's a funny quote from the jalopnik link.

Ford took a hit though.

But then the all mighty Toyota was slightly down too.

Wait, are you telling me GM increased their sales while Toyota lost sales? Wow, I wonder how Toyota is going to spin this one.

[pinyon]

Here's the link to August Toyota sales.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4656109&EDATE=

[PhishPhood]

Originally Posted by sigma

The quick way to see if GM had a fleet relapse would be to look at Grand Prix, G6, Malibu and Impala sales. If anyone of them had some unexpected jump in sales then we know that there was a fleet dump. However they aren't dumping the Lambdas and GMT900's into fleets.

Very astute analysis.
Malibu down 25% for the year..but suddenly this month it's even with last year;
G6 down 9% for the year..but suddenly this month sales are up 2% over last year;
Grand Prix down 13% for the year..but suddenly this month sales are up 11% over last year.

Are the outgoing models suddenly so attractive? Probably not, but if you have to do a fleet dump this is one of the best times to do it.

[Hogans_Heroes]

Originally Posted by starlightmica

Yup, check out those Uplander numbers, up 28% when almost everything else based on a car isn't.

Yeah, good observation. And the Grand Prix was up 11.2%. I used to use that one pretty much as a proxy when their fleet/retail transparency wasn't as good as it is now. But yeah, there aren't a ton of Siennas all of a sudden piling up on Chevy lots all of a sudden.

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by starlightmica

Yup, check out those Uplander numbers, up 28% when almost everything else based on a car isn't.

Please, the only cars besides aura that were up a significant percentage were G5 and Grand Prix, cars that we already know go to fleets.

Uplanders may sell a lot of fleet, but not to daily rental companies. More likely regular (profitable) fleet buyers.

Daily rental sales did not increase based on what I am reading into the chart.

Otherwise, car sales would not be down so much.

[unkillsam]

TOYOTA RETAIL SALES
(INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII)
August, 2007

---- CURRENT MONTH ---- -- CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE --
DSR % DSR %
2007 2006 CHG 2007 2006 CHG

YARIS 7,861 11,392 -31.0 62,509 44,214 40.7
COROLLA 30,491 34,971 -12.8 262,431 274,074 -4.7
CAMRY 42,658 42,227 1.0 324,702 302,636 6.8
AVALON 5,880 6,747 -12.9 48,494 58,540 -17.6
PRIUS 14,055 11,177 25.7 124,620 70,447 76.0
SCION xA 190 3,111 -93.9 9,394 22,905 -59.2
SCION xB 5,329 6,956 -23.4 28,990 44,997 -35.9
SCION tC 6,590 9,185 -28.3 46,369 55,498 -16.9
SCION xD 2,664 0 - 2,664 0 -
TOTAL TOYOTA DIV.
PASS. CAR 115,718 125,768 -8.0 910,177 873,341 3.7
ES 350 8,646 7,973 8.4 55,953 48,365 15.1
LS 460 3,164 1,386 128.3 23,432 9,073 157.0
SC 430 298 493 -39.6 2,698 4,040 -33.5
GS 300 2,161 2,609 -17.2 14,058 15,734 -11.1
GS 430/450h 139 362 -61.6 1,364 2,805 -51.6
IS 250/350 5,381 5,553 -3.1 37,949 37,347 1.1
TOTAL LEXUS PASS.
CAR 19,789 18,376 7.7 135,454 117,364 14.9
TOTAL TOYOTA PASS.
CAR 135,507 144,144 -6.0 1,045,631 990,705 5.0
SIENNA 11,099 12,807 -13.3 96,047 107,426 -11.0
RAV4 15,916 14,363 10.8 117,534 104,133 12.3
FJ CRUISER 4,802 6,259 -23.3 38,684 34,037 13.1
4RUNNER 8,312 8,302 0.1 59,182 72,514 -18.8
HIGHLANDER 9,514 11,645 -18.3 83,121 85,001 -2.7
LAND CRUISER 181 286 -36.7 1,589 2,149 -26.4
SEQUOIA 1,717 2,479 -30.7 16,299 22,030 -26.4
TOTAL SUV 40,442 43,334 -6.7 316,409 319,864 -1.6
4X2 TACOMA 9,060 9,567 -5.3 72,119 70,393 2.0
4X4 TACOMA 6,034 6,455 -6.5 49,400 46,832 5.0
TOTAL TACOMA 15,094 16,022 -5.8 121,519 117,225 3.2
TUNDRA 18,919 11,173 69.3 124,909 78,916 57.5
TOTAL PICKUP 34,013 27,195 25.1 246,428 196,141 25.0
TOTAL TOYOTA DIV. LT
TRUCK 85,554 83,336 2.7 658,884 623,431 5.2
LX 470 221 435 -49.2 1,972 3,645 -46.2
GX 470 2,157 2,458 -12.2 14,430 16,186 -11.3
RX 350/400h 10,032 9,805 2.3 67,686 71,579 -5.9
TOTAL LEXUS LIGHT
TRUCK 12,410 12,698 -2.3 84,088 91,410 -8.5
TOTAL TOYOTA LIGHT
TRUCK 97,964 96,034 2.0 742,972 714,841 3.4
TOTAL TOYOTA DIV. 201,272 209,104 -3.7 1,569,061 1,496,772 4.3
TOTAL LEXUS 32,199 31,074 3.6 219,542 208,774 4.6
TOTAL TOYOTA 233,471 240,178 -2.8 1,788,603 1,705,546 4.4
MEMO:
DOM. COROLLA 29,840 29,044 2.7 239,186 233,692 1.9
DOM. CAMRY 39,823 31,314 27.2 275,247 250,188 9.5
DOM. PICKUP 34,013 27,195 25.1 246,428 196,141 25.0
DOM. RX 350 7,607 7,778 -2.2 49,105 49,049 -0.4






WOW, without the Tundra and Prius, Toyota would be done fore. Look how much the Yaris is tanking and the corolla is down over 20%.

Scion fell flat on it's face too, yeah they have no product but still every car is down almost 30 percent.

[VCDJ]

Originally Posted by eaton53

That's probably where you're seeing the decreased fleet sales.

No that is not it. Grand prix is up that is what 80% fleet car, G6 is up that is fleet car, Impala is unchanged that is a fleet car, uplander is up 28% that is a fleet car. Cobalt is up that is a fleet car. HHR is up that is another big fleet car, and nox was up that is another big fleet car. So prbably what happened this month gm increased their fleet sales and that is how they got these numbers. GM car sales are just very bad, most of them are just fleet. GM still has alot of work to do.

[Bornfromparents]

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

Very astute analysis.
Malibu down 25% for the year..but suddenly this month it's even with last year;
G6 down 9% for the year..but suddenly this month sales are up 2% over last year;
Grand Prix down 13% for the year..but suddenly this month sales are up 11% over last year.

Are the outgoing models suddenly so attractive? Probably not, but if you have to do a fleet dump this is one of the best times to do it.

its model year end also, so that very well could have something to do with it. But the are selling there profit machines with little on the hood

[1487]

what happened to all the talk of the Tundra beating the Sierra in sales? it happened one month and people were going crazy talking about how GM's trucks were half ass and what not. Now look at the results. You cannot let one month define a "trend". Toyota is going to have a hard time sustaining the high volume of Tundras they sold earlier in the year. Look for more incentives soon.

Almost EVERY Toyota car was down in August in spite of the fact that people supposedly buy Toyota due to fuel economy. Avalon and Yaris sales do not look good at all, the avalon continues to be outsold by Lucerne in spite of far superior fuel economy.

[Bornfromparents]

Originally Posted by VCDJ

No that is not it. Grand prix is up that is what 80% fleet car, G6 is up that is fleet car, Impala is unchanged that is a fleet car, uplander is up 28% that is a fleet car. Cobalt is up that is a fleet car. HHR is up that is another big fleet car, and nox was up that is another big fleet car. So prbably what happened this month gm increased their fleet sales and that is how they got these numbers. GM car sales are just very bad, most of them are just fleet. GM still has alot of work to do.

No question about that, but they are selling lot vehicles that help the bottom line more than the cars do, it will halp funnel money to those cars,
and they are not ignoring the car market but the contrary, elp II can't get here fast enough.

But the Aura and Malibu will do just fine until world class replacements arive. Plus the Impala makes money and resale value of the new model
is nuch higher than the last one.

this is all good news, lets hope it becomes a trend for the future

[mtndrew1]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

Please, the only cars besides aura that were up a significant percentage were G5 and Grand Prix, cars that we already know go to fleets.

Uplanders may sell a lot of fleet, but not to daily rental companies. More likely regular (profitable) fleet buyers.

Daily rental sales did not increase based on what I am reading into the chart.

Otherwise, car sales would not be down so much.

*Aura sales are around 25% fleet.

*DTS, a fleet queen, down 13.9% for the year but nearly flat this month.

*Malibu in a nosedive by more than 25% this year but nearly flat this month.

*Equinox also diving by almost a quarter this year, but UP 13% this month.

*HHR on a gentle decline all year then spikes 50% this month.

*Lambda sales are still pretty underwhelming and are failing to ramp up strongly.

LaNeve pointed out "year to date" declines in rental sales, but based on the sudden spikes in some of GM's lamest products, combined with a jump in sales of products that are known to be very heavy fleet (GP almost 75%), this month's anomaly of GM bucking the industry trend seems to be a massive fleet dump.

I've seen lots of Silverados running around with Enterprise plate frames lately too, although that's a tough one because nearly all non-SUV GM products in LA are fleet, based on casual observation.

Combine the fleet flurry with GM's newfound heavy GMT900 incentives to match the Tundra and we're right back to 2005. Giving away the metal to prop up the quarter's number.

-Drew

[chakis24]

Originally Posted by PhishPhood

Very astute analysis.
Malibu down 25% for the year..but suddenly this month it's even with last year;
G6 down 9% for the year..but suddenly this month sales are up 2% over last year;
Grand Prix down 13% for the year..but suddenly this month sales are up 11% over last year.

Are the outgoing models suddenly so attractive? Probably not, but if you have to do a fleet dump this is one of the best times to do it.

yeah, but im ok with that. if the old malibu and the grand prix are mostly fleet so be it. the same with the uplander (hopefully chevy is getting a lambda minivan)- as long as the new malibu isnt. the g6 shouldnt be fleet tho. but im sure the introduction of 0% on the trucks is what sparked the increases for them- can guarantee there were people holding out for it. if theyre doing things like that, its ok, because everyone else is doing the same. its not the same if gm is offering high rebates when noone else is. and this is the most important part of the whole article:

"Customers are also recognizing the quality of GM products. A recent study ranked Buick number one (tied with Lexus) in vehicle dependability. Another customer service survey has every GM brand above the industry average score -better than Toyota, Mercedes-Benz, Chrysler, Ford and Land Rover. "The myth of import superiority is being destroyed. In countless independent consumer surveys, blogs and expert reviews, it is becoming increasingly evident that we build the highest quality vehicles and deliver them with world-class service," LaNeve noted."

[HEVguy]

Just keep up the steady improvements GM! Product comes 1st!