GM Hangs on to #1 Sales Spot; Holds off Toyota

[rsinsel]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Don't worry, here's what he'll say when he shows up...

"GM sooooo stupeed. toyota still better then gM, rick and lutz don't have clue, why don't Gm have prius? prius so cool, everyone want oen. Insteed Gm make Volt, Volt so stupid, Volt is dream that never hapen. nobody want volt, lutz stupid fur theenkeng that volt will seeell. toyota so awesome."





Well consider this.
If toyota sold 69,095 more vehicles than GM, they'd be all, "GM HAS LOST THE SALES LEAD ONCE AGAIN AS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR TOYOTA OUTSELLS GM BY A WHOPPING 69,095 VEHICLES!! ALL HAIL OUR MIGHTY OVERLORD TOYOTA!! HAIL!!!"

Misguided, brainwashed sheep.

Anyways, good news all around today, let's keep up the good work.

awesome!

[joemac]

Originally Posted by SUPERBADD75

WHO CARES??? the trend can't continue forever if GM doesn't get some competitive cars out there. whoring out trucks to make sales isn't exactly something to crow about. when the trucks aren't playing a huge factor in sales numbers, and it's based more on compact to midsized cars, then what's GM got to play with? being number 1 isn't as important as being relevant in the market, and right now, GM is becoming less relevant. i don't care about these empty numbers, wake me when they've got something better than a Mazda3 or Civic.

GM has lots of competitive vehicles. Not everyone wants a 3 or Civic, there's more to the market than econoboxes.

Please note that the economy as a whole is in the toilet. The entire market is down. The percentage declines noted are not singularly representative that they have no relevant product.

[xyagentguy]

"GM sooooo stupeed. toyota still better then gM, rick and lutz don't have clue, why don't Gm have prius? prius so cool, everyone want oen. Insteed Gm make Volt, Volt so stupid, Volt is dream that never hapen. nobody want volt, lutz stupid fur theenkeng that volt will seeell. toyota so awesome."

Best.Post.Ever.

[GMC-70]

Originally Posted by JM9777

Don't you just love the mainstream media coverage on this topic today? This morning, Cheri Preston of ABC News Radio could hardly contain her glee at the prospect of Toyota outselling GM this month. After the sales reports came out, she wasn't quite as happy, but still managed to report that "It was close...but GM barely beat out Toyota for the sales lead in June."

Apparently somewhere along the line 69,095 vehicles has become an insignificant number, but only when comparing Toyota and GM sales.

If this is true it is truly, truly sad that the so much of the American media doesn't root for the home team----regardless of whose product is better!

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by 1487

G6, Aura, MAlibu, Cobalt, STS and CTS sales are up. What the hell are you talking about? Anyone saying GM cars arent a factor is being ridiculous at this point. If the Astra and G8 get any traction they will be in business.

Yes the sales of those vehicles are up however its not because they are so good but because people are ditching trucks and SUVs for cars.

The CTS, Malibu, and Aura are all great cars however only the CTS is selling at a rate thats toe to toe with others. The Malibu sold what 13,000 units last month compared to the Camry which sold 41,500 and the Accord which sold 39,700 units last month. And to make it even worse that is a huge leap in sales for the Malibu which shows how few of the older ones GM really was selling and that its going to take time.

GM does need to make more cars that can be compared with the vehicles in their class such as the Malibu and CTS. Because lets be honest GM is still making a bunch of crappy cars and you cant tell people not to look at the Buicks, the cobalt, the G5, and etc.... and only focus on the few cars that GM is doing right at the moment.

[xyagentguy]

At least msnbc.com wrote that GM SOUNDLY beat Toyota

[xyagentguy]

GM does need to make more cars that can be compared with the vehicles in their class such as the Malibu and CTS. Because lets be honest GM is still making a bunch of crappy cars and you cant tell people not to look at the Buicks, the cobalt, the G5, and etc.... and only focus on the few cars that GM is doing right at the moment.

I think the point is the trend. Buick (minus Enclave), Cobalt, G5? You're talking about models that are several years old. Not to mention Cobalt and G5 are the exact same vehicle so if one is to be poor I don't find it earth-shattering that the other will be, too. Duh.

GM is CLEARLY making competitive products and I think you're dead wrong saying they are still making crappy cars. In fact, I think they're making excellent vehicles and the hardest part for them is changing perception at this point, not product.

While not always reflected in stellar sales (due to perception), the last 12 months of launches including the CTS, Malibu, Aura, Vue, all 3 lambda's and a fourth on the way, have all seen stellar reviews for the most part including two car-of-the-year awards and continued heavy truck praise.

I think it can no longer be said whatsoever that GM makes crappy vehicles. That's just ignorance. I also am not naive to the fact that GM still has a lot of hard work ahead.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

Yes the sales of those vehicles are up however its not because they are so good but because people are ditching trucks and SUVs for cars.

The CTS, Malibu, and Aura are all great cars however only the CTS is selling at a rate thats toe to toe with others. The Malibu sold what 13,000 units last month compared to the Camry which sold 41,500 and the Accord which sold 39,700 units last month. And to make it even worse that is a huge leap in sales for the Malibu which shows how few of the older ones GM really was selling and that its going to take time.

GM does need to make more cars that can be compared with the vehicles in their class such as the Malibu and CTS. Because lets be honest GM is still making a bunch of crappy cars and you cant tell people not to look at the Buicks, the cobalt, the G5, and etc.... and only focus on the few cars that GM is doing right at the moment.

We may whine and moan about how crappy the G5 is, how boring the Cobalt is, but everything boils down to how the car sells, and both sold pretty damn well this month. Like you said, it's because people are ditching their trucks and SUVs, but at least they're selling now. As long as GM continues to improve their compacts (and completely re-do their subcompact), everything's going to be all right in the end.

[VibenPontiac]

Originally Posted by SUPERBADD75

WHO CARES??? the trend can't continue forever if GM doesn't get some competitive cars out there. whoring out trucks to make sales isn't exactly something to crow about. when the trucks aren't playing a huge factor in sales numbers, and it's based more on compact to midsized cars, then what's GM got to play with? being number 1 isn't as important as being relevant in the market, and right now, GM is becoming less relevant. i don't care about these empty numbers, wake me when they've got something better than a Mazda3 or Civic.

I get your sentiment about the cash on the hoods of just about every SUV and truck but as a whole car sales were up and marketshare was up. It will be interesting to see if the marketshare gain came from the cars or the decline of other manufacturer's trucks and SUVs. Bottom line though is as you seem to imply - GM's car portfolio while way better than it was just 2-3 years ago is still not quite there across the board - basically another 18-24 months from being 100% competitive across the board.

However, while a 18%+ decline isn't great news its no where near as bad as it was looking half way through June. Considering Toyota's performance in June I'd be willing to hazard a guess that GM's performance was about above average for the industry, maybe above average.

[windvale]

Originally Posted by GMJoe

Toyota is not unstopable or invincible!

Agree 100%.

Toyota has stumbled a bit of late - but is still perceived as the industry leader by the public.

The Yaris and the new Corolla have received very luke-warm receptions from Consumer Reports. Like or love CR, but a lot of people do go by what CR says...

Keep and eye on Hyundai...for what it's worth, I'm thinking they will be a very tought competitor in the future.

[skylark68]

This is good news, although the whole market is slowing down. I'm hoping for a decent July.

Say what you want about killing off Pontiac or GMC, but the local Buick, Pontiac, GMC dealer can't keep up with the sales that are happening, especially among G5's and G6's. Acadias are sold out for the moment. They only have 1 Enclave left also. If you want a Sierra though, you can afford to be picky...

[dindak]

I find it amusing that people think Toyota is invincible and can sell more cars in a market like this when everyone else is down. The press is out to lunch on their "predictions".

[Greg Burr]

Originally Posted by JM9777

Don't you just love the mainstream media coverage on this topic today? This morning, Cheri Preston of ABC News Radio could hardly contain her glee at the prospect of Toyota outselling GM this month. After the sales reports came out, she wasn't quite as happy, but still managed to report that "It was close...but GM barely beat out Toyota for the sales lead in June."

Apparently somewhere along the line 69,095 vehicles has become an insignificant number, but only when comparing Toyota and GM sales.

The media is anti-American, what can I say?

[56 Starchief]

Once again, proving that you cannot believe all that you read. Media is just that...the media. Not management nor a full representation of reality or objectivity.

[ericmvest]

Originally Posted by 1487

G6, Aura, MAlibu, Cobalt, STS and CTS sales are up. What the hell are you talking about? Anyone saying GM cars arent a factor is being ridiculous at this point. If the Astra and G8 get any traction they will be in business.

I agree 100%. General Motors recent car efforts are excellent, second to none, and I do not think the General is going to let up. They have something to prove. On the other hand, Toyota, judging from their lame "totally new" Corolla, must be resting on the laurels.