GM Announces September Sales Down 45%; Tough Comparison To '08 Employee Discount Sale

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Originally Posted by Bokl

why only car in its class that has 4-speed standard and no gps, bluetooth or ipod connection

It does have ipod connection and BT.

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Originally Posted by TriShield

GM is still down 45%, Ford is not.

Get ready for a future with Ford as the only American automaker left.

4 of the 8 brands GM is reporting on are dead. Do you think that affect sales? The four dying brands have 3 of the 4 largest declines.

GM is projecting 21% share last month- best of the year.

[1G6]

Stark numbers, but I feel compelled to point out that dealers - at least in my area - had precious little to sell. To say the 2010 models have been trickling in is an overstatement.

[TriShield]

Originally Posted by Buick61

It has a 6-speed standard on all but the cheapest model and it has Bluetooth. And, while not the same, it does have OnStar for directions.

It looks like a generic Asian car, like something Toyota or Hyundai would produce. And given that most people will go with the better reputation of Toyota and Hyundai now.

GM's problems are numerous and haven't gotten any less complicated with bankruptcy or the government delaying the inevitable by wasting billions of our tax dollars on them.

GM needs a real and distinct look for Chevrolets. GM has to figure out what differentiates Chevrolet from everyone else. GM needs to still improve interior style, quality and materials. GM needs to offer the same or more features in Chevrolets than the competition for less money (better value). They also need to have the best warranty on the market period on Chevrolets, no excuses.

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Originally Posted by K-1

Malibu 10,479
Fusion 10,834

Cobalt 7,381
Focus 9,182

Aveo 1,906
Ford nothing

Apparently Ford needs a better Fusion, Focus, and a B-car. Your complaint is unfounded.

That is a huge drop in Fusion sales from earlier in the year. Fusion sold over 20k units several times this year. I think best month might have been close to 25k.

[1G6]

Originally Posted by TriShield

GM is still down 45%, Ford is not.

Get ready for a future with Ford as the only American automaker left.

Take a deep breath. Enough with the hyperbole.

[Bokl]

Originally Posted by Buick61

It has a 6-speed standard on all but the cheapest model and it has Bluetooth. And, while not the same, it does have OnStar for directions.

By cheap model you mean $20k. IF you think that 20K car should have 4 speed and no ipod connection and bluetooth. you should work for gm. They will love you there. But just do not blame everybody for your 45% sales decline. Ford down 5% Hynday up 27% but gm will make you bealive it is cash for clunkers that made these terrible sales for gm. I am telling you. People should be happy if gm can hold to 15% of market share.

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Originally Posted by TriShield

It looks like a generic Asian car, like something Toyota or Hyundai would produce. And given that most people will go with the better reputation of Toyota and Hyundai now.

GM's problems are numerous and haven't gotten any less complicated with bankruptcy or the government delaying the inevitable by wasting billions of our tax dollars on them.

GM needs a real and distinct look for Chevrolets. GM has to figure out what differentiates Chevrolet from everyone else. GM needs to still improve interior style, quality and materials. GM needs to offer the same or more features in Chevrolets than the competition for less money (better value). They also need to have the best warranty on the market period on Chevrolets, no excuses.

aside from Hyundai who has a better warranty than Chevy?

If you think the Malibu looks like the Accord or Camry you need glasses. The Malibu's sales are falling because the midsize market is so competitive and the Fusion is newer and likely taking away many "buy American types". There is nothing wrong with the car. It is idiotic to suggest that any car that isnt a best seller is in desperate need of improvement. The mazda6 is considered one of the top 3 family sedans and it cant get traction in the midsize market. MAzda WISHES they could sell 10k 6's in a bad month.

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Originally Posted by 1G6

Take a deep breath. Enough with the hyperbole.

How's that hyperbole when the numbers are out on both companies. FORD IS being run well GM still to be seen

[Extreme4x4]

Originally Posted by K-1

Malibu 10,479
Fusion 10,834

Cobalt 7,381
Focus 9,182

Aveo 1,906
Ford nothing

Apparently Ford needs a better Fusion, Focus, and a B-car. Your complaint is unfounded.

Ford was inventory restrained, on many models, just like GM.

C4C decimated Fusion stock, so the numbers are no surprise.

Numbers that matter:

Fusion sales YTD: 134,600 +14.5%
Malibu sales YTD: 118,995 -15.3%

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Originally Posted by Bokl

By cheap model you mean $20k. IF you think that 20K car should have 4 speed and no ipod connection and bluetooth. you should work for gm. They will love you there. But just do not blame everybody for your 45% sales decline. Ford down 5% Hynday up 27% but gm will make you bealive it is cash for clunkers that made these terrible sales for gm. I am telling you. People should be happy if gm can hold to 15% of market share.

Ford's sales were down like 36% last year and they still got outsold by GM last month. GM and Ford gained share apparently last month.

Name one $20k midsize sedan other than Sonata with standard USB connection. Accord doesn't even have a USB connection. Altima is just gettng it for 2010 and its not standard. Camry has it for 2010 but not standard.

Actually analysts are saying going forward no automaker will have more than 20% ever again in the US market. Ford, GM and Toyota will remain close.

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Originally Posted by Extreme4x4

Ford was inventory restrained, on many models, just like GM.

C4C decimated Fusion stock, so the numbers are no surprise.

Numbers that matter:

Fusion sales YTD: 134,600 +14.5%
Malibu sales YTD: 118,995 -15.3%

Numbers that matter:

Fusion debut: February 2009
Malibu Debut: August 2007.

New models tend to sell better than older ones. Malibu sales are not down as much as Accord/Camry sales for the year. Not that you would mention that.

CArry on.

[Bokl]

Originally Posted by 1487

Ford's sales were down like 36% last year and they still got outsold by GM last month. GM and Ford gained share apparently last month.

Name one $20k midsize sedan other than Sonata with standard USB connection. Accord doesn't even have a USB connection. Altima is just gettng it for 2010 and its not standard. Camry has it for 2010 but not standard.

Actually analysts are saying going forward no automaker will have more than 20% ever again in the US market. Ford, GM and Toyota will remain close.

name one $20k sedan that has 4 speed standard?

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Originally Posted by ARCANGEL

How's that hyperbole when the numbers are out on both companies. FORD IS being run well GM still to be seen

until we have year over year comparisons between GM's core brands ONLY you are likely to see this kind of thing. Get used to it and worry about how GM's new products are doing and marketshare. That is what's important. If you bother to look at the press release you will see Hummer, Saab, Saturn and POntiac did poorly last month. NO suprise since they are being phased out and no new Saturns or POntiacs are being built.

[TriShield]

Originally Posted by 1487

aside from Hyundai who has a better warranty than Chevy?

What does it matter? Chevrolet has the worst brand image of any mainstream family car next to Chrysler/Dodge. You can't make excuses for not offering a warranty that is equal or better to Hyundai.

Hyundai/Kia used to be the absolutely basement of transportation. That's completely changed. The confidence of their warranty, their rock-bottom prices, and reliability has made the company into a juggernaut.

GM hasn't been a juggernaut for decades. What possible excuse can they have for not making their products and coverage better? They are in a simiilar position now that Hyundai was in when the setup shop here in the US.