Ford down 6% in September vs a year ago

[ford&holden]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

I fail to see how posting sales figures of comparable vehicles is bating and twisting. You'll have to make your case on that one.

Don't play dumb to suit you...honestly.

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

Don't sing it, bring it. If you have data that refutes that sales figures I posted, share it with the class. So far we've seen about 5 post from you and all of them are attacking me instead of providing data.

and here it is...

I point out to you that sales figures don't tell the full story, you know that yet persist with the dumb act, why?

GM was the worlds largest auto company by volume, did that stop them going bankrupt? NO.

Sales volume alone proves nothing, so what was your point again? oh yeah malibu WOULD had outsold fusion IF you take the hybrid fusion sales away from the monthly total...AND?

[Simon says]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

'Tis is the point my dear friend. The Malibu essentially has no hybrid version to speak of which could help draw in customers. The Fusion does have one and if I'm not mistaken around 1500 customers buy it each month. Therefore, if one overlooks hybrid models, the Malibu outsold the Fusion.

I haven't seen a break down of fleet vs retail for these vehicles. If you have such information, feel free to share.

You want to overlook the sales of the Fusion Hybrid but want hard data in the fleet v. retail sales. Kind of twisted logic there, very strict to bash Ford but lax to overlook Chevy's faults. But hey, we aim to please . . .

This was the situation a year ago . . .

Headline: Malibu Was ONLY 47% Retail LINK

. . . when the economy wasn't nearly half as bad as it is today and when Chevrolet was making the EXACT same Malibu it makes today . . .

[ford&holden]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

Where did I make the claim that I was trying to prove ANYTHING? I simply posted sales figures from September of the year 2009. I'm sorry if this has gotten your pantylooms in a twist.

No you were...


Nothing more or less.

[ford&holden]

Originally Posted by Simon says

You want to overlook the sales of the Fusion Hybrid but want hard data in the fleet v. retail sales. Kind of twisted logic there, very strict to bash Ford but lax to overlook Chevy's faults. But hey, we aim to please . . .

This was the situation a year ago . . .

Headline: Malibu Was ONLY 47% Retail LINK

. . . when the economy wasn't nearly half as bad as it is today and when Chevrolet was making the EXACT same Malibu it makes today . . .

Thank you.

[Simon says]

Originally Posted by ford&holden

Thank you.

With pleasure

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by ford&holden

Don't play dumb to suit you...honestly.

What are you talking about?

and here it is...

I point out to you that sales figures don't tell the full story, you know that yet persist with the dumb act, why?

I never argued that they did. Regardless, sales figures are the only hard data we have until you can provide more.

GM was the worlds largest auto company by volume, did that stop them going bankrupt? NO.

Sales volume alone proves nothing, so what was your point again? oh yeah malibu WOULD had outsold fusion IF you take the hybrid fusion sales away from the monthly total...AND?

You're going off on a tangent.

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by Simon says

You want to overlook the sales of the Fusion Hybrid but want hard data in the fleet v. retail sales. Kind of twisted logic there, very strict to bash Ford but lax to overlook Chevy's faults. But hey, we aim to please . . .

I never bashed anyone or overlooked any faults. You're making stuff up.

This was the situation a year ago . . .

Headline: Malibu Was ONLY 47% Retail LINK

. . . when the economy wasn't nearly half as bad as it is today and when Chevrolet was making the EXACT same Malibu it makes today . . .

Yawn. Do try to provide data that is atleast somewhat current.

[ford&holden]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

What are you talking about?


I never argued that they did. Regardless, sales figures are the only hard data we have until you can provide more.

You're going off on a tangent.

If you're going to bring up one figure, It's YOU who must provide the full story, you know better...or do you?

Tangent? you obviously need reminding.

[ford&holden]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

Yawn. Do try to provide data that is atleast somewhat current.

Fusion outsold malibu, period.

What was your point again?

Oh yeah the 'would have'...

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by ford&holden

If you're going to bring up one figure, It's YOU who must provide the full story, you know better...or do you?

That would be the case if I tried to make a point based on the figures I provided. As of now, all I have done is look at the sales figures and post said figures on GMI.

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by ford&holden

Fusion outsold malibu, period.

I never claimed anything different.

What was your point again?

Oh yeah the 'would have'...

I'm pretty sure I've stated my point 2-3 times now. If it makes you this upset, I suggest not letting Ford Motor Company have such a big impact on your emotions.

[ford&holden]

Numbers that matter:

Fusion sales YTD: 134,600 +14.5%
Malibu sales YTD: 118,995 -15.3%

That better?

See the trend, oh thats right ONE months worth of sales count ONLY right?

[ford&holden]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

I never claimed anything different.

I'm pretty sure I've stated my point 2-3 times now. If it makes you this upset, I suggest not letting Ford Motor Company have such a big impact on your emotions.

So again you...

[E. Haskell]

Originally Posted by ford&holden

Numbers that matter:

Fusion sales YTD: 134,600 +14.5%
Malibu sales YTD: 118,995 -15.3%

That better?

See the trend, oh thats right ONE months worth of sales count ONLY right?

Which numbers matter to you is subjective. You are free to value YTD sales if you wish.

Also, I am free to point out September '09 figures:

Malibu (3rd model year/no hybrid/no nav) = 10,479
Fusion = 10,834

With the Camry outselling both cars by 150%, I'm tempted to say neither car is doing well at this point. I guess you could say both are doing equally bad.

If anyone has the fleet vs retail break down for the Fusion and Malibu, I'd love to see it.

[ford&holden]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

Which numbers matter to you is subjective. You are free to value YTD sales if you wish.

Also, I am free to point out September '09 figures:

Malibu (3rd model year/no hybrid/no nav) = 10,479
Fusion = 10,834

With the Camry outselling both cars by 150%, I'm tempted to say neither car is doing well at this point. I guess you could say both are doing equally bad.

If anyone has the fleet vs retail break down for the Fusion and Malibu, I'd love to see it.

yeah ok.

How about the OLD focus outselling the younger cobalt?


Who cares!

Profit counts, as GM's bankruptcy proves...

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