Camaro Beats Crap Out Of Mustang, Challenger For Fourth Straight Month

[E. Haskell]

I think ph39 made a good point in another thread:

Looks like everyones numbers are in. GM market share for August 09 was 19.5%. The same percentage as their YTD 09. I am concerned what will happen to market share when pontiac runs out of vehicles.

By the way - Ford didn't do too good. Market share was 14.4% in August 09 vs 15.8% for YTD - the second worst showing of all the major companies (Chrysler was down even more).

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

I think ph39 made a good point in another thread:

Damn and that is with 2 up months, GM may end the year with an increase in market share while Ford I don't think can recover and see a plus this year.

[Ambalanche]

There have been over 43,000 Camaro's produced so far and dealers still can't keep them in inventory?! That's fantastic! Just goes to show that a real "Gotta have" vehicle can and will sell even in a down economy! Great news! Give us more product like this GM!!

[Simon says]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

Damn and that is with 2 up months, GM may end the year with an increase in market share while Ford I don't think can recover and see a plus this year.

Funny . . .

Ford now has gained retail market share in 10 of the last 11 months. Plus, internal and external studies continue to show a positive trend in favorable consumer opinion about Ford, and a growing number of consumers are shifting consideration to Ford vehicles.

Keep dreaming though . . .

[GMusa]

i dont know how much long the Camaro can hold its lead, especially when the Mustang gets knew transmissions and engines next year. Mustang being lighter and getting 400hp, the 426hp heaiver Camaro i dont think will be able to keep up. The 2010 Mustang GT with 315hp and with the trackpack already holds its own against the Camaro SS.

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by Simon says

Funny . . .



Keep dreaming though . . .

"Ford now has gained retail market share "

Notice that we were talking about market share in total and not just retail market share, note that this is probably the only month where GM saw a decrease in retail market share...........

[Slideways]

Originally Posted by GMusa

i dont know how much long the Camaro can hold its lead, especially when the Mustang gets knew transmissions and engines next year. Mustang being lighter and getting 400hp, the 426hp heaiver Camaro i dont think will be able to keep up. The 2010 Mustang GT with 315hp and with the trackpack already holds its own against the Camaro SS.

You may have a point, but how many people honestly shop for all of the following vehicle:
Camaro
Mustang
Challenger
370Z
Genesis coupe

?????
I am basing this mostly on a very small sample (mostly including data from me) but I don't think people cross-shop these cars like they do family sedans. You either want one of these vehicles the moment you see them or you don't. I would be very surprised if many of the people who bought a Camaro even test drove a Mustang, and vice versa.

[Extreme4x4]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

"Ford now has gained retail market share "

Notice that we were talking about market share in total and not just retail market share, note that this is probably the only month where GM saw a decrease in retail market share...........

In every Ford sales release, they have talked about retail share only, as this is what they care about.

Suddenly, this is a bad thing??

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by Extreme4x4

In every Ford sales release, they have talked about retail share only, as this is what they care about.

Suddenly, this is a bad thing??

I think its funny that when Ford fans talk about Fords fleet sale they all say its not all bad..............

Now they are claiming that Ford never talks about over all market share and only talks about retail market share (which is 99.99% chance of being a flat out lie or in reality as typical for Ford fans they do not know the real facts so they just make stuff up).

Ford a company that has seen decreases for year after year after year loosing money for year after year and they have 3 good months and all of a suddenly they are the best thing since sliced bread. I think its this bull **** that so many people are sick and tired of on this site, is there a group of people on this planet that isn't so full of themselves and even worse have no real reason to be full of them selves.......? I have yet to run into them.

[ford&holden]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

I think its funny that when Ford fans talk about Fords fleet sale they all say its not all bad..............

Now they are claiming that Ford never talks about over all market share and only talks about retail market share (which is 99.99% chance of being a flat out lie or in reality as typical for Ford fans they do not know the real facts so they just make stuff up).

Ford a company that has seen decreases for year after year after year loosing money for year after year and they have 3 good months and all of a suddenly they are the best thing since sliced bread. I think its this bull **** that so many people are sick and tired of on this site, is there a group of people on this planet that isn't so full of themselves and even worse have no real reason to be full of them selves.......? I have yet to run into them.

Wow...

GM went bankrupt, correct?
Did Ford?

Nothing you say or do can change the truth.

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by Slideways

You may have a point, but how many people honestly shop for all of the following vehicle:
Camaro
Mustang
Challenger
370Z
Genesis coupe

?????
I am basing this mostly on a very small sample (mostly including data from me) but I don't think people cross-shop these cars like they do family sedans. You either want one of these vehicles the moment you see them or you don't. I would be very surprised if many of the people who bought a Camaro even test drove a Mustang, and vice versa.

In my area these vehicles (well take away the 370Z and the Genesis Coupe is too new to tell) do cross shop these vehicles. Yes you have your die had fans however the vast majority of car consumers are not die hard fans like us on this site.

With the Gen 4 Camaro being faster didn't translate into more sales for the Camaro, people prefered the Mustang because it was overall the better car (better interior mainly). This time around though they have made the Camaro something special, something that you can not get with another car. Its not like the choices in mid sized sedans which are basically exactly the same instead you have a car with a unique look and feel on the inside and out.

Not only that but the V-6 model is the one that will carry most of the sales ultimately anyways so in reality Ford and GM are more concerned with how the V-6 models compare with each other. What GM has going for it is it has a all new car where as the Mustang looks similar to the previous model so its not going to get the brand new car attention. GM will launch the convertible which will help out sells and maybe they will launch a upper level Camaro as well.

However the best thing that they can do for the Camaro for 2011 is offer a sportier suspension setup for those who want it.

As far as comparing the 2011 Camaro to the 2011 Mustang is we do not know how much its going to cost or weigh.

On the weight issues on the Mustang GT there are conflicting reports, some mags put the weight at 3,550 pounds and inside line tested a GT prem. with track pack and it had a as tested weight of 3,750 pounds which isn't that far from the Camaro SS........

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by ford&holden

Wow...

GM went bankrupt, correct?
Did Ford?

Nothing you can do or say can change the truth.

If you knew your Ford history you would know that the original Ford car company went belly up after it first started which was in 1901, in 1903 was Henry Ford restarted his company up so to answer your question Ford went under over 100 years before GM did.......

And oh yea some bankers bought up the factories and started the Cadillac company which GM purchased in 1909 so GM owns.........

[ford&holden]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

If you knew your Ford history you would know that the original Ford car company went belly up after it first started which was in 1901, in 1903 was Henry Ford restarted his company up so to answer your question Ford went under over 100 years before GM did.......

And oh yea some bankers bought up the factories and started the Cadillac company which GM purchased in 1909 so GM owns.........

Thanks for the history lesson! so back to 2009, Ford is a better managed and operated auto company than GM, fact.

Oh god, what will you answer with next!

And Ford fans are tools!?...

[63GrandSport001]

Originally Posted by ford&holden

Thanks for the history lesson! so back to 2009, Ford is a better managed and operated auto company than GM, fact.

Oh god, what will you answer with next!

And Ford fans are tools!?...

No one has actually stated that Ford wasn't a batter ran car company...... in fact most on this site seem to share that consensus me included..........

That said being a better run company then GM doesn't say much at all and still GM has more good vehicles then Ford has.

And no not all Ford fans are tools and Im going to say then most of them are not tools, however it seems that the high visibility Ford fans on Forums are all tools and for reasons un-known...............

[Simon says]

Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001

If you knew your Ford history you would know that the original Ford car company went belly up after it first started which was in 1901, in 1903 was Henry Ford restarted his company up so to answer your question Ford went under over 100 years before GM did.......

And oh yea some bankers bought up the factories and started the Cadillac company which GM purchased in 1909 so GM owns.........

LOL, it seems like the one in need of a bit of a history lesson its you. Henry Ford founded the Henry Ford Motor Company with the backing of some banks as investor and was named Chief Engineer. After merely a year he was fired and Henry Leyland was appointed as Chief Engineer and promptly named the company not after himself but after one of his historical heroes Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac, founder of the city of Detroit. The company never went belly up.

The reason why Henry Ford was deposed as CE of his own company was that he wanted to build an inexpensive car for the masses while the investors wanted to build luxury cars, just like everybody else was doing. In 1903 Henry Ford founded the Ford Motor Company, this time taking precautions not to allow investors have their way and he made them richer beyond their wildest dream when he bought them all out. Among them John and Horace Dodge who would later found their own car company with the money they got from Ford.

While Ford thrived and wrote the early history of the American car, Cadillac in the verge of bankruptcy (I wonder how those investors felt, LOL) was acquired by a conglomerate of failed auto companies known then as General Motors (and today known as Liquidation Motors)

I find amusing to say the least, that you are trying to make some valid comparison to what happen to GM this year with what happened 108 years ago, which is known as one of the biggest blunders in the history of American business . . . turning the back on a young Henry Ford.

By the way, Leyland was so disappointed with the way GM was managing Cadillac that he left to found another car company with the severance paid to him by GM, also named after one of his historical heroes, President Abraham Lincoln. Henry Ford had his sweet revenge not long after.

Learn your history before you try to teach it . . .