Your Ideal Oldsmobile Lineup

[acascianelli]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

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The Northstar should remain a Cadillac exclusive and not end up on a lesser brand.

its being used in the pontiac bonneville, a 4.0L version of it was used in the olds aurora, and a 3.5 V6 version of it (some called it the shortstar) was used in the intrigue.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by acascianelli

its being used in the pontiac bonneville, a 4.0L version of it was used in the olds aurora, and a 3.5 V6 version of it (some called it the shortstar) was used in the intrigue.

Northstar should never have gone into the Bonneville. But that's just my opinion. It's getting the new 5.3L anyways, so it's a moot point now.
All other derivations of Northstar are dead... including Shortstar and Aurora.

[kain01]

So what you're saying is that GM should use their OHV engines that get trashed by the media, including in some instances the LS series (even though they get nominated for things like best engine), or better yet create an entirely new lineup of DOHC engines for their luxury brands other than Cadillac.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by kain01

So what you're saying is that GM should use their OHV engines that get trashed by the media, including in some instances the LS series (even though they get nominated for things like best engine), or better yet create an entirely new lineup of DOHC engines for their luxury brands other than Cadillac.

Ideally?? GM should kill every single OHV engine in their car lineup.
If they get trashed by the media, they have no place in their car lineups whatsoever.
But GM can't do that, so they keep a few here and there.

What I'm saying is that an exclusive V8 engine used in GM's top car, should not be shared among the cheaper GM brands.

[327]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Ideally?? GM should kill every single OHV engine in their car lineup.
If they get trashed by the media, they have no place in their car lineups whatsoever.
But GM can't do that, so they keep a few here and there.

What I'm saying is that an exclusive V8 engine used in GM's top car, should not be shared among the cheaper GM brands.

No they shouldnt. The media doesnt know anything about engines.
Ever hear of the new 5.7L HEMI. It seems to be in all the dodge and chrysler vehicles. It is NOT DOHC its a OHV. Name one time when you read someone not liking it because it was OHV.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by 327

No they shouldnt. The media doesnt know anything about engines.
Ever hear of the new 5.7L HEMI. It seems to be in all the dodge and chrysler vehicles. It is NOT DOHC its a OHV. Name one time when you read someone not liking it because it was OHV.

Umm.. how about every article on the 3800 and 3800 II. Generally, it would say, that it is a tried and true engine based on older technology. While <enter Japanese model here> has a smooth operating DOHC.

HMEI gets a lot of press because it's a HEMI. If it was a nameless X.0 L V8... it wouldn't be given the time of day. HEMI is helping market DCX cars just as much as the cars themselves. You hear the commercials... "blah blah blah car from Chrysler.... with the HEMI...."

Media doesn't know much about engine? Perhaps. And neither do most average customers. What they DO notice is the smoothness of the DOHC over the OHV. Which in turn makes them choose the DOHC.

GM needs to start playing the perception game.

[acascianelli]

the northstar motors have hemispherical combustion chambers but you dont hear anything about those.

[327]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Umm.. how about every article on the 3800 and 3800 II. Generally, it would say, that it is a tried and true engine based on older technology. While <enter Japanese model here> has a smooth operating DOHC.

HMEI gets a lot of press because it's a HEMI. If it was a nameless X.0 L V8... it wouldn't be given the time of day. HEMI is helping market DCX cars just as much as the cars themselves. You hear the commercials... "blah blah blah car from Chrysler.... with the HEMI...."

Media doesn't know much about engine? Perhaps. And neither do most average customers. What they DO notice is the smoothness of the DOHC over the OHV. Which in turn makes them choose the DOHC.

GM needs to start playing the perception game.

BS if they know most of GMs engines are OHV and say they're bad and they know Hemi is OHV then why dont they say the same thing about them?

Id bet if you drove 2 cars one OHV and the other DOHC you wouldnt tell the difference.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by 327

BS if they know most of GMs engines are OHV and say they're bad and they know Hemi is OHV then why dont they say the same thing about them?

Id bet if you drove 2 cars one OHV and the other DOHC you wouldnt tell the difference.

It's a case of marketing. Marketing can make a bad product good. Or a good product really good.

All my cars are DOHC.

[AmericanRevolution]

About the HEMI... not sure if it's true, but one of my friends dads took apart the new HEMI engine (from the Ram or 300C, I forget which) and said it DOESN'T have the hemispherical combustion chambers... which makes the HEMI name false... can anyone verify this claim?

[gmwsag]

Unfortuanetly, I don't want Oldsmobile anymore. It is irrelavant. Now that Saturn is moving in the way of Oldsmobile: a supreme import fighter, why would we need them back? Plus, where would they place Oldsmobile if Pontiac is suppose to be the performance division....Saturn the import fighter...Chevrolet the all american car.....Buick the American Lexus...Cadillac the American Benz...GMC the truck brand....Hummer the unique brand...and Saab the Sweedish-euro fighter.

[acascianelli]

The HEMI is a great motor, and it IS a HEMI true to the meaning of the word but they went a little on the conservative side, see for yourself.





the combustion chambers are hemispherical, but the pistons are not as domed as the pistons on the original hemi were.

Reference...

heres a pic of the northstar head...



and piston...

[TurboSAAB]

olds is gone isn;t it?


lets look at SAAB 9-7x is big hot thing, then the v6- 2,8 L 250 hp for all 9-3 CV and sedan and new WAGON, then a new 9-x HATCH, a 6-7 passenger called 9-6 x and a new 9-5. I cant wait untill my y ear lease is up on the 9-5 aero stick!


Subaru bygger ny stadsjeep för Saab
Ny Teknik kan i dag avslöja att Saab utvecklar en ny, sportig stadsjeep baserad på en plattform från japanska Subaru. Den blir fyrhjulsdriven med plats för sju personer. En första prototyp presenteras redan i januari nästa år på Detroits bilsalong.

Saab 9-6x med plats för sju
Illustration Jonas Askergren
Stadsjeepar är framtiden för Saab. Den bil, 9-7x, som man nyligen presenterade på bilmässan i New York, ska följas av nya modeller.

Men nästa gång får Saab mer att säga till om. För 9-7x är egentligen en Chevrolet Trailblazer med förändringar i front, inredning och hjulupphängning. Modellen kom till för att snabbt få ut en stadsjeep till de amerikanska Saabhandlarna.

9-6x mera "Saabig" än 9-7x
Den nya stadsjeepen kallad 9-6x, ska få fler karaktäristiska Saab-drag. Den blir sportigare, lättare, mer personbilsaktig - och sjusitsig.

Den blir också lyxigare med tydligare kvalitetskänsla för att direkt konkurrera med bland annat japanska Lexus och tyska BMW. Trolig produktionsstart; andra halvåret 2006.

Saabs tekniker i Trollhättan är sedan en tid djupt involverade i utvecklingsarbetet, och designchefen Michael Mauer har gett bilen en aggressiv form som ska understryka Saabkaraktären.

Bilen får sju sittplatser, där de bakre sätena går att fälla ner om man behöver mer plats för bagage. En liknande lösning har Volvo i sin stadsjeep XC90.

Ska tillverkas hos Subaru i USA
Japanska Subaru, som ingår i GM-familjen, står för grundkonstruktionen. Det är också Subaru som ska tillverka bilen vid sin fabrik i Lafayette, i den amerikanska delstaten Indiana. Här har Subaru en underutnyttjad fabrik med kapacitet för 230 000 bilar per år. Eventuellt ska även GM använda samma plattform för sitt varumärke Buick.

Den nya stadsjeepen blir mer lik en personbil till konstruktion och köregenskaper. 9-6x blir lägre, kortare och lättare än 9-7x, och drar därmed betydligt mindre bensin.

Motorn blir en sexcylindrig boxermotor från Subaru, som i turboversionen ska ge runt 300 hästkrafter (ca 225 kW). Drivningen sker på alla fyra hjulen på samma sätt som i Subarus övriga bilmodeller.

Saab har god erfarenhet av att samarbeta med Subaru. Det är Subaru som bygger den lilla modell, 9-2x, som nyligen introducerades i USA. Och tillsammans med Subaru utvecklar Saab en framtida ersättare till denna bil.

Problem att få in en dieselmotor
Det största problemet med Subaru är att företaget inte tillverkar dieselmotor. Sådana är nödvändiga på den europeiska marknaden.

Det går inte heller att stoppa in vanliga dieselmotor i Subarus konstruktioner, eftersom dessa bygger på att det ligger en boxermotor under huven. Boxermotorn kännetecknas av att cylindrarna ligger rakt emot varandra, i stället för att sitta på rad eller i vinkel. Det ger plattare motorer med jämn och tyst gång, samt lägre tyngdpunkt.

Men dieseldrivna boxermotorer är svårare att utveckla och dyrare att bygga än konventionella dieselmotorer. Subaru har gjort en grundutveckling till en direktinsprutad dieselmotor. Men om fortsatt utveckling, och framtida tillverkning, ska bli lönsam krävs att motorn utnyttjas i fler bilar än i Subarus egna. Samarbetet med Saab öppnar den möjligheten. Därmed skulle 9-6x även kunna säljas i Sverige och övriga Europa.

Inom Saab vill man inte kommentera Ny Tekniks avslöjande:

- Vi kan bara säga att samarbetet med övriga företag inom GM-världen går vidare, säger Christer Nilsson, presschef på Saab Automobile. Och vi har flera valmöjligheter att söka olika lösningar.

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[ab348]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Umm... Let's see...

Saturn Sky
Saturn Aura
Saturn VUE
Saturn Relay

Oh wait... Oldsmobile??

Those aren't real cars, they're Saturns. No self-respecting Olds lover would ever buy one.

[ab348]

Originally Posted by gmwsag

Saturn the import fighter....

Olds was supposed to be the import fighter and Saturn the maker of goofy, cheap low-end cars. GM axed the wrong division.