Full hybrid?

[member12]

When is GM going to make a full hybrid car?

I know the Tahoes are out soon....but I think this technology would work better in a car like the Aura, Astra, or the new Malibu.

[fenderbender]

Hopefully they will soon, the half hybrid system works great, but a full one is needed, and the two mode would probably be the best in the industry.

[Cabana Boy]

Originally Posted by fenderbender

Hopefully they will soon, the half hybrid system works great, but a full one is needed, and the two mode would probably be the best in the industry.

"best" from which standpoint.
We have seen claimed FE numbers that are not all that impressive, but the price seems reasonable. A tradeoff, if you will. That may be the "best" scenario for many people. Either way, the more the better.

[igor]

Originally Posted by Cabana Boy

"best" from which standpoint.
We have seen claimed FE numbers that are not all that impressive, but the price seems reasonable. A tradeoff, if you will. That may be the "best" scenario for many people. Either way, the more the better.

well sure enough it is only CALIMED at this point .. but form simply theaoretical understanding of the design, the 2mode will be quite superior to other hybrids ..

we shall see soon enough - if GM manages 30+hwy mpg and 25+ city mpg from the Lambdas (as its rumored), they have one bad ass system on their hands ..

and the 2mode Vue will eat the Escape's lunch
(the Vue is getting 2mode, right?)

Igor

[Cabana Boy]

Originally Posted by igor

and the 2mode Vue will eat the Escape's lunch
(the Vue is getting 2mode, right?)

Igor

Again I say, superior how? I believe it will tow more, but most seem to buy Hybrids for FE. Check your stats on the Vue Hybrid. I think it claims less FE than the Escape.

Saturn's estimate of 27/32 mpg for the new Vue compares with 36/31 mpg for the best-mileage SUV, which is the 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid with front-wheel drive and 33/29 mpg with all-wheel drive.

Edit:
I forgot to mention that the price difference between them is quickly dissolved when you figure that the Escape qualifies for a full hybrid credit and deduction.

[igor]

Originally Posted by Cabana Boy

Again I say, superior how? I believe it will tow more, but most seem to buy Hybrids for FE. Check your stats on the Vue Hybrid. I think it claims far less FE than the Escape.

Saturn's estimate of 27/32 mpg for the new Vue compares with 36/31 mpg for the best-mileage SUV, which is the 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid with front-wheel drive and 33/29 mpg with all-wheel drive.

CURRENT Vue Hybrid is the BAS system - a joke - but IIRC the new Vue will get a 2mode.

And I have no idea why you are talking about Towing - all of my post was about FE .. and that is where the 2mode is shaping up to be superior to others ...

2mode works like a regular full hybrid in the city, so it will be on par with FE there, but unlike regular Ford/Honda/Toyota hybrids, which are dead weight at hwy travel, the 2mode is able to assist the engine even at the HWY making the cars that much more fuel efficient all around.

Ford has currently no plans for anything more than I4 full hybrids (debuting new generation next year in a Fusion).

And while I am dumbfounded why GM is starting with the hybrids from the heaviest and largest vehicles in their lineups, unless they fail to trickle the technology down to mainstream midsize sedans and small utes, they will have a successful hybrid program.

Igor

[Cabana Boy]

Originally Posted by igor

CURRENT Vue Hybrid is the BAS system - a joke - but IIRC the new Vue will get a 2mode.

And I have no idea why you are talking about Towing - all of my post was about FE .. and that is where the 2mode is shaping up to be superior to others ...

2mode works like a regular full hybrid in the city, so it will be on par with FE there, but unlike regular Ford/Honda/Toyota hybrids, which are dead weight at hwy travel, the 2mode is able to assist the engine even at the HWY making the cars that much more fuel efficient all around.

Ford has currently no plans for anything more than I4 full hybrids (debuting new generation next year in a Fusion).

And while I am dumbfounded why GM is starting with the hybrids from the heaviest and largest vehicles in their lineups, unless they fail to trickle the technology down to mainstream midsize sedans and small utes, they will have a successful hybrid program.

Igor

I was not "talking about towing" but I did mention it as a benefit for the Vue.

How do you know what Ford has in the future that will stomped on by the yet to be released future Vue? Are you a Ford insider?

[ChevyRules]

The Vue will have 3 hybrid systems. The BAS system, the two mode system( with the DI 3.6 V6), and a plug in.

[igor]

Originally Posted by Cabana Boy

I was not "talking about towing" but I did mention it as a benefit for the Vue.

How do you know what Ford has in the future that will stomped on by the yet to be released future Vue? Are you a Ford insider?

no but Ford announced about 8 months ago that they stopped developing V6 hybdir system, and will focus on more varied approach for better fuel economy. Nothing else besides then ew Fusion I4 full hybrid has been implicated since then.

And I am sort of surprised that when I pbring good insider news from Ford yo uare all over it, but when I tell you something you do not like, you question my sources. I have been rarely wrong.

Igor

[montrealvue]

Originally Posted by igor

and the 2mode Vue will eat the Escape's lunch
(the Vue is getting 2mode, right?)

Igor

The Vue 2 mode is due the 3rd or 4th quarter of 2008, depending on how fast they can train Mexicans to build hybrids

[Bornfromparents]

Two-mode hybrid is going into the Aura soon I'm not sure if its next year or the year after. It is said that it should get around 45% mgp increase for the Aura.

[Cabana Boy]

Originally Posted by igor

no but Ford announced about 8 months ago that they stopped developing V6 hybdir system, and will focus on more varied approach for better fuel economy. Nothing else besides then ew Fusion I4 full hybrid has been implicated since then.

And I am sort of surprised that when I pbring good insider news from Ford yo uare all over it, but when I tell you something you do not like, you question my sources. I have been rarely wrong.

Igor

I question many things, so don't take it personal.
Look back on some of your "good news" articles and see how I question things like FE on future Twin-Force engines predicitions. I am all for future engine programs though, and that sort of news usually is true. Hard to argue that. I also appreciate all your information you share with us, but I am not sure why you cop a tude when I second guess your guess that a future GM hybrid will stomp all over a future Ford hybrid - especially since neither is on the road yet. You are comparing future GM to current Ford. Ford just rolled it it's 2nd revision to it's original hybrid system. I understand they will have the 2nd hybrid system out next, and I am sure that others are in the works, and who knows what they are disclosing - to ANYONE.

[john1701a]

Originally Posted by Cabana Boy

Again I say, superior how?

I've been asking that for weeks. Detail is definitely lacking.

No doubt that the power will be impressive. In fact, that has already been demonstrated on the commercial scale. Efficiency should be tweaked to a rather impressive level too.

But how does that translate to joe-consumer, who just wants an typical sedan/hatchback/non-utility with a "full" hybrid system priced in the $20,000 to $30,000 range?

JOHN

[rd66]

Saw the 2 mode "cut away" transmission at the autoshow. Looks cool, I guess. Looks expensive and HUGE. I guess the pass. car version will be same design just a little more compact. We need full hybrid in pass. cars. Ford is using the Toyota HSD (1st gen) in the Escape. Nissan is using Toyota HSD (Camry version) in the Altima. Will the 2 mode system include 8yr/100k warranty on system components. Will it be a AT-PZEV? If so 10yr/150k warranty on emissions and battery, in CA emissions states, where I am

[igor]

^^just to correct a petpeeve of mine - Ford is not using Toyota's anything - they licenced some pieces because what they came up with was to oclose t oconfort and they once paid to be able to look at their software code, because they could not figure out the transition between EL and Gas power .. but after seeing Toyota's solution they wrote the program themselves.

The Ford Hybrid system is their own .. they simply ended up with a solution clos to Toyota's a coupel months after Toytota patented it ..

Sorry it is my pet peeve.
Igor