Camaro should of waited

Billygates · 09-05-2009, 09:55 AM

It's no secret GM is losing market share, it should come as no surprise.
Why would this company lets cars like the Cobalt and Impala, both in need of redesign long ago, flounder while they burn money and time on the impractical Camaro?

ARCANGEL · 09-05-2009, 10:03 AM

because thats how they do!!! besides if they waited any longer the Camaro would not have come to fruition with the bankruptcy and all

**zete** · 09-05-2009, 10:13 AM

The Cobalt replacement was in the works for a while and is already on sale in Europe and Asia. It's delayed here because GM wants to put a specific, high efficiency engine in it. It would have come out earlier this year otherwise in North America.

As to Impala, it was slated to go onto Zeta. The fuel costs last year coupled with the economic collapse and then GM's bankruptcy put the Zeta-based Impala on hold initially and then, apparently, canceled it outright. Impala is now slated to go onto Epsilon II.

So, GM had the Cobalt replacement, the Cruze, ready but not the engine -- for the Camaro, the engines are already extant. GM wanted to make sure the Cruze has this new highly efficient engine for a variety of reasons, not least of which is to shake their image of not having fuel efficient small cars. The estimates we've heard is that the Cruze will get 40+mpg which will make it the class leader.

And, as Arcangel pointed out, had they delayed the Camaro it may have gotten the G8's fate. After all, the G8 was slated to move to Oshawa for production.

Yet now, we see the Camaro selling better than GM had hoped, which means it will be profitable which, in the grander scheme of things, is GM's entire need at the moment: to be profitable. No profits, no GM.

FenwickHockey65 · 09-05-2009, 01:24 PM

Uhhh...have you seen how well the Camaro's selling?

Suziebob · 09-05-2009, 01:30 PM

The Camaro isn't impractical to real drivers.

My grandfather drove a 1966 Chevelle which is still in the family through three mountain passes during the winter for 5 years during a 200ish mile daily commute. A RWD, high horsepower car. Today, by comparison, many people cannot drive their toasters.... I mean Camrys, through the same area.

The only thing impractical about the Camaro is it doesn't have rear doors. But that isn't that big of a deal. Your spoiled little kids can deal with sliding the seat up to get out.

Mustapha Mond · 09-05-2009, 01:38 PM

Name another car in GM's current lineup that is selling for full sticker price?
Seems like a home run to me.
-Elliott

sonjaab · 09-05-2009, 01:53 PM

Sticker price on a new Camaro?

Heck! The dealers in my area are still trying for $5000 over sticker on a SS
v-8s while the v-6s are gathering dust bunnies at MSRP!

Ahhhh.......Once the hysteria and "gotta have it" is over the deals will be out
there!

Rick 2000 · 09-05-2009, 02:40 PM

GM currenly can't make the Camaro fast enough to meet demand .

MalibuMaxxSS · 09-05-2009, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustapha Mond

Name another car in GM's current lineup that is selling for full sticker price?
Seems like a home run to me.
-Elliott

The New NOX.....WOW we cant keep them, kinda left he camaro buzz in the background all of a sudden, sold all 6 we got so far and orders on 5 more cause we cant get enough.......

MalibuMaxxSS · 09-05-2009, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonjaab

Sticker price on a new Camaro?

Heck! The dealers in my area are still trying for $5000 over sticker on a SS
v-8s while the v-6s are gathering dust bunnies at MSRP!

Ahhhh.......Once the hysteria and "gotta have it" is over the deals will be out
there!

we are selling all of ours AT sticker V6 or V8 and all are gone, except for 1 black V6 with NO RS package, The RS makes the car in my opinion, the killer lights does it for me.

johnstarnes · 09-05-2009, 03:35 PM

I just saw a red Camaro last night when out with friends....we thought it looked great...I disagree that GM should "have" waited.....the Camaro could be a bright spot for them now as they recover.

Bravada · 09-05-2009, 04:39 PM

It's "SHOULD HAVE"!

ronald mcretard · 09-05-2009, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bravada

It's "SHOULD HAVE"!

THANK YOU! This is the single most annoying grammar mistake if you ask me.

johnstarnes · 09-05-2009, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronald mcretard

THANK YOU! This is the single most annoying grammar mistake if you ask me.

Thanks, I tried to make a subtle reference to that pet peeve of mine too without picking on him. For me, this is right up there with "I could care less".

eurohazard · 09-05-2009, 05:27 PM

lol.....of = have. We are all a bunch of smart ass grammar police!

It bugs me too though.

To be honest the Camaro should "have" came earlier...not later. The Cobalt should have been replaced sooner, and same applies with the Impala. But the fact is, GM is restructuring, and can't get everything out to the public as fast as needed.

09-05-2009, 09:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
Billygates Walking Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5	Camaro should of waited It's no secret GM is losing market share, it should come as no surprise. Why would this company lets cars like the Cobalt and Impala, both in need of redesign long ago, flounder while they burn money and time on the impractical Camaro?

09-05-2009, 10:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
ARCANGEL 4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Manalapan N.J. Posts: 2,826	Re: Camaro should of waited because thats how they do!!! besides if they waited any longer the Camaro would not have come to fruition with the bankruptcy and all __________________ I would rather walk with God in the dark than go alone in the light.

09-05-2009, 10:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
zete GMI Staff Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NCR, Great White North Posts: 5,304	Re: Camaro should of waited The Cobalt replacement was in the works for a while and is already on sale in Europe and Asia. It's delayed here because GM wants to put a specific, high efficiency engine in it. It would have come out earlier this year otherwise in North America. As to Impala, it was slated to go onto Zeta. The fuel costs last year coupled with the economic collapse and then GM's bankruptcy put the Zeta-based Impala on hold initially and then, apparently, canceled it outright. Impala is now slated to go onto Epsilon II. So, GM had the Cobalt replacement, the Cruze, ready but not the engine -- for the Camaro, the engines are already extant. GM wanted to make sure the Cruze has this new highly efficient engine for a variety of reasons, not least of which is to shake their image of not having fuel efficient small cars. The estimates we've heard is that the Cruze will get 40+mpg which will make it the class leader. And, as Arcangel pointed out, had they delayed the Camaro it may have gotten the G8's fate. After all, the G8 was slated to move to Oshawa for production. Yet now, we see the Camaro selling better than GM had hoped, which means it will be profitable which, in the grander scheme of things, is GM's entire need at the moment: to be profitable. No profits, no GM. __________________ To appeal to enthusiasts GM needs to build on a flexible platform and be able to build small numbers and do it profitably. Hopefully we'll see some of that in the future with Alpha and Zeta, assuming the latter survives.

09-05-2009, 01:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
FenwickHockey65 News Contributor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: West Chester, OH Drives: Chevrolet Malibu LS, GMC Envoy SLE, GMC Sonoma SLS Posts: 9,296	Re: Camaro should of waited Uhhh...have you seen how well the Camaro's selling? __________________ Proud to drive American. Proud to drive GM. Current Cars: 2007 Chevrolet Malibu LS: 2.2L ECOTEC I-4 2003 GMC Envoy SLE: 4.2L Vortec 4200 I-6 1998 GMC Sonoma SLS Ext. Cab: 4.3L Vortec 4300 V6 Former Cars: 1993 Saturn SW2 (1993-2006, 243,000 miles) 1989 GMC Safari SLT (1989-2003, 293,000 miles) Future Car: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro 2LT RS: 3.6L SIDI High-Feature V6

09-05-2009, 01:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
Suziebob 3.0 Liter SIDI V6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Southwestern Virginia Drives: 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier LS Sport Coupe Posts: 669	Re: Camaro should of waited The Camaro isn't impractical to real drivers. My grandfather drove a 1966 Chevelle which is still in the family through three mountain passes during the winter for 5 years during a 200ish mile daily commute. A RWD, high horsepower car. Today, by comparison, many people cannot drive their toasters.... I mean Camrys, through the same area. The only thing impractical about the Camaro is it doesn't have rear doors. But that isn't that big of a deal. Your spoiled little kids can deal with sliding the seat up to get out.

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09-05-2009, 01:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mustapha Mond 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Regina SK Canada (Elliott) Drives: 2008 Pontiac G5 Coupe Posts: 468	Re: Camaro should of waited Name another car in GM's current lineup that is selling for full sticker price? Seems like a home run to me. -Elliott __________________ In Thrust We Trust

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sonjaab 3.6 Liter SIDI V6 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Syracuse-Alexandria Bay NY-Daytona Drives: 07 DTS-07 CHEVY 2500 84 Z-28-72 GTO Posts: 1,092	Re: Camaro should of waited Sticker price on a new Camaro? Heck! The dealers in my area are still trying for $5000 over sticker on a SS v-8s while the v-6s are gathering dust bunnies at MSRP! Ahhhh.......Once the hysteria and "gotta have it" is over the deals will be out there! __________________ 07 Chevy 2500 07 DTS-84-Z-28/72 GTO 77 Triumph Bonneville Syracuse NY-Daytona Alexandria Bay NY

09-05-2009, 02:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
Rick 2000 2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 430	Re: Camaro should of waited GM currenly can't make the Camaro fast enough to meet demand .

09-05-2009, 03:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
johnstarnes 6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,733	Re: Camaro should of waited I just saw a red Camaro last night when out with friends....we thought it looked great...I disagree that GM should "have" waited.....the Camaro could be a bright spot for them now as they recover. __________________ "The only normal people are the ones you don't know well". unknown

09-05-2009, 04:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bravada GMI Europe Correspondent Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 13,836	Re: Camaro should of waited It's "SHOULD HAVE"!

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