GMI Exclusive: SRX, Equinox To Get 3.0L HF V6

[1487]

Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me

A lot of criticism of mgescuro.....
I would bet that he and many of us here, criticize GM and Cadillac because we want them to return to their glory days, with great cars that we would be proud to drive, with advanced tech, great customer dealer experience, great dramatic style.

Or maybe he is never satisfied and thinks 99% of what GM's isnt up to his standards. I guess they forgot to offer him the CEO job. People buy cars for more than engines and all automakers that have multiple brands share engine architectures. BMW and MB dont do it because they dont have sister brands here. Ok BMW has Mini but that is on a MUCH lower price scale. Lincoln, Acura and Lexus share engines with their lesser brands. Its industry practice. BTW, anyone who thinks the SRX and Equinox will be the same just becauase they share one engine is an idiot. How can anyone really believe that the SRX wont have far more equipment than the Nox?

[1487]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

And look at the Lexus version, it is tuned to use premium and has a HP bump. You can't get the exact same engine in the Toyota version.

Get your facts straight. The camry makes a whopping 4 less hp than the ES350. The Highlander has same output as the RX350. What Lexus models are you talking about? Also the Tundra and LX570 share the same 5.7L engine. If you are going to put Toyota on a pedastal and act like GM is stupid at least tell the truth.

[nsap]

Originally Posted by 1487

Get your facts straight. The camry makes a whopping 4 less hp than the ES350. The Highlander has same output as the RX350. What Lexus models are you talking about? Also the Tundra and LX570 share the same 5.7L engine. If you are going to put Toyota on a pedastal and act like GM is stupid at least tell the truth.

Not to mention that if you use premium in the Camry, the power output is supposedly the same as the ES.

[jimmyisland]

i personally think this SRX is the best looking SUV on the market and second the Acura RDX. See how symmetric the lines lining up from the front side bumper to the door's handles. oh my god, just beautiful. And i am sickening seeing the ugly Honda Accord's big scar on the side of the car which rather looking so bad.

[1487]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Nope. Because it's one of the core reasons Cadillac is having this problem in the first place.

There is nothing wrong with putting an advanced engine in the Chevy.
This circles back to the same argument that was posited in the 70's and the 80's and the 90's!!!

What makes Cadillac so special if all the parts are the same and there are no differences between a Cadillac and a Chevrolet?

And yet, after all of this, we are now in the 4th decade of this same argument.

The one time in Cadillac's history since the 1950's where the powers at be finally realized what was going on was 2000-2004-ish. Where the decision to isolate Cadillac from the rest of the lineup and create an exclusive to Cadillac lineup was made. Cadillac should have taken those ideals to the next level. Instead, we're witnessing a reversion of that mentality. And it's wrong for Cadillac.

It's not about Cadillac not "being my type of car." It's about Cadillac being competitive against cars that are in its market segment. It's also about Cadillac not looking foolish when compared to cars like a Genesis.

It's a friggin' Cadillac. You all need to expect MUCH more than we are given!! Anything less than the best of the best is inappropriate.

And if the 3.0L engine in the Equinox is "The Best." Then SRX deserves "The Best" + 1.

So you can tell the difference between a MAlibu and CTS or a Lucerne and CTS? You feel that all of GM's lesser brands are on par with Cadillac? The CTS doesnt share a platform or interior or technology package with any non Cadillac. The only thing is shares is an engine architecture. It is ridiculous to say the CTS and other Cadillacs are barely different from Chevys and Pontiacs. The G8 and CTS are both RWD but the CTS is far smaller and has a much better interior and has FAR more options. CAn you tell the difference betweeen a CTS and G8?

If I read the original post correctly the SRX will have a 304hp engine which is +1 compared to the Nox. If the SRX doesnt sell it surely wont be because buyers think its powered by a Chevy engine. If you buy a GM product you are likely to get components shared with other GM products. This would be like suggesting someone wouldnt buy an IS350 because it shares a V6 with a $25k Rav4. People dont even care about stuff like. Most drivers dont even know how much hp they have on tap.

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Higher HP. So what if it uses premium fuel? It's a Cadillac. People who buy Cadillac's can afford it.

Add a supercharger.

If the Equinox is mated to a 6-speed.... then the Cadillac gets a 7-speed.

Isolate the engine to make it quieter for the Cadillac.

Perhaps the SRX get a 3.2L version. THe US is not subject to engine displacement laws.

Lexus advertises the 8 speed on the LS460 and touts the efficiency of that model. If they believe efficiency is something to brag about in an $70k car why would Cadillac assume that buyers of a $38k SRX wouldnt prefer to use regular fuel? Even if they changed the requirement to premium you would gain only 3 or 4 hp and that is pointless.

The SRX will be differentiated by its DI V6. Not sure why you keep ignoring that. I wonder why Cadillac would add a supercharger to the 3L when they already have the Di 3.6L with 304hp.

As for quietness, I would assume the SRX will have more sound deadening than the SRX although these days all new cars are pretty quiet. It silly to try and justify a luxury vehicle based on hp these days because regular cars have so much. If people only cared about having the most hp they wouldnt buy base model A4s, 328s and C300s which are outpowered by $26k family sedans. Luxury buyers are concerned about dealer service, prestige and the latest high tech features. You will never get the most hp for your dollar with a luxury brand.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by 1487

So you can tell the difference between a MAlibu and CTS or a Lucerne and CTS? You feel that all of GM's lesser brands are on par with Cadillac? The CTS doesnt share a platform or interior or technology package with any non Cadillac. The only thing is shares is an engine architecture. It is ridiculous to say the CTS and other Cadillacs are barely different from Chevys and Pontiacs. The G8 and CTS are both RWD but the CTS is far smaller and has a much better interior and has FAR more options. CAn you tell the difference betweeen a CTS and G8?

Should I tell you the story of when I went to the Chevy-Cadillac dealership, wanting to check out the CTS? And when I said I drove a 9-5 now and was just looking at a 9-3, the salesguy told me, "Why not a Malibu? They're essentially the same as the 9-3."
Sorry.... they are NOT the same.

It's not ridiculous It's a legitimate concern. And yes, CTS, STS, and Gen 1 SRX are on an entirely separate platform exclusive to Cadillac. I know that. And Cadillac is moving away from that, unfortunately. THey're probably going to compromise on a Cadillac-only premium Zeta down the road. That's an acceptable compromise for now, but it's not ideal.

Originally Posted by 1487

If I read the original post correctly the SRX will have a 304hp engine which is +1 compared to the Nox.

Did I miss that?
SRX is 300 and 320HP right now. Would be nice if the new SRX is at least 310-350HP.
But new platform, most likely with a new target market.... it might be different.

Originally Posted by 1487

Lexus advertises the 8 speed on the LS460 and touts the efficiency of that model. If they believe efficiency is something to brag about in an $70k car why would Cadillac assume that buyers of a $38k SRX wouldnt prefer to use regular fuel? Even if they changed the requirement to premium you would gain only 3 or 4 hp and that is pointless.

Using premium fuel and being fuel efficient are not mutually exclusive. You can use premium fuel and great economy. You can use premium fuel and get crappy economy.
I'm saying that customers of SRX are rich enough to buy a Cadillac, they are rich enough to use premium fuel. The price of gas is inelastic with people who buy in that market segment.

Originally Posted by 1487

The SRX will be differentiated by its DI V6. Not sure why you keep ignoring that. I wonder why Cadillac would add a supercharger to the 3L when they already have the Di 3.6L with 304hp.

Where in this thread is this stated? What am I missing?

Originally Posted by 1487

As for quietness, I would assume the SRX will have more sound deadening than the SRX although these days all new cars are pretty quiet. It silly to try and justify a luxury vehicle based on hp these days because regular cars have so much. If people only cared about having the most hp they wouldnt buy base model A4s, 328s and C300s which are outpowered by $26k family sedans. Luxury buyers are concerned about dealer service, prestige and the latest high tech features. You will never get the most hp for your dollar with a luxury brand.

I never judge luxury/premium cars by HP. I've always judged them by level of attention to detail. HP is only part of the equation.
With premium car, you just can't say, "it's quiet enough." That's just not acceptable. It needs to be more than what one would expect.

[slowinthefastlane]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Whoooo... same engine as a Chevy!!
The news keeps getting better and better and better....
I hope the 9-4X is spared the ignominy.

Doesn't seem to hurt Nissan with its ubiquitous VQ35 series.

[roteague]

Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me

A lot of criticism of mgescuro.....
I would bet that he and many of us here, criticize GM and Cadillac because we want them to return to their glory days, with great cars that we would be proud to drive, with advanced tech, great customer dealer experience, great dramatic style.

Unlike some members, mgescuro at least puts forth solutions. I may not agree with him on some of his ideas, but at I appreciate that he does more than just complain.

[jasaero]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Nope. Because it's one of the core reasons Cadillac is having this problem in the first place.

There is nothing wrong with putting an advanced engine in the Chevy.
This circles back to the same argument that was posited in the 70's and the 80's and the 90's!!!

What makes Cadillac so special if all the parts are the same and there are no differences between a Cadillac and a Chevrolet?

And yet, after all of this, we are now in the 4th decade of this same argument.

The one time in Cadillac's history since the 1950's where the powers at be finally realized what was going on was 2000-2004-ish. Where the decision to isolate Cadillac from the rest of the lineup and create an exclusive to Cadillac lineup was made. Cadillac should have taken those ideals to the next level. Instead, we're witnessing a reversion of that mentality. And it's wrong for Cadillac.

It's not about Cadillac not "being my type of car." It's about Cadillac being competitive against cars that are in its market segment. It's also about Cadillac not looking foolish when compared to cars like a Genesis.

It's a friggin' Cadillac. You all need to expect MUCH more than we are given!! Anything less than the best of the best is inappropriate.

And if the 3.0L engine in the Equinox is "The Best." Then SRX deserves "The Best" + 1.

I understand both sides of this MG vs the World thread. On MG's side I think Cadillac should have exclusive powertrain choices above Chevy. Really though I think they only need to be options. I really think it's fair if a Chevy upgrade or top of the line engine is a base choice on a Cadillac. We still don't know for sure that the SRX won't get some turboed version of one of these DI V6 engines. The SRX may also get some version of the Haladex AWD system from the Saab's. As long as such a tuboed engine and fancy AWD isn't available on the Caddy, I think that would be fair.

I would love to support MG's opinions on this 100%, but the problem is that Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Ford, and probably other Chevy competetive brands WILL be offering sophistocated engines like this in vehicles similar to the Equinox. When plebian cars start catching up to premium cars due to fierce competition, there isn't much companies like GM, Ford, the Japanese, and VW Audi that have both premium and plebian oriented brands can really do to ensure their premium brands are 100% differentiated. Unless Cadillac slowly tries moving into being a $50,000+ brand or something and leave the $30,000-50,000 range premium vehicle space to Buick, I really don't think GM can afford to give every Cadillac vehicles 100% unique powertrain choices.

Basically I think the bigger problem has less to do with Cadillac and more to do with it being VERY tough to use engines to differentiate premium cars. Really the only Premium brand that really has a unique engine design is BMW and their I6 engine. At one point their Valvetronic system was pretty exclusive, but that will soon be available in a superior VVEL setup on a Nissan Z car. Point being, I really have no clue what Cadillac could do to better this engine, or somehow TRULY match the competition without MASSIVE investment. Anything else would be just some silly enhancement of an existing engine used in a Chevy to say it's unique. It would probably be more gimmick than anything else.

[ConcordeNick]

Does anyone know if the DI four banger and the 3 L DI V6 are going to make it into the current Malibu/Aura/G6? A 3.0 L V6 with a six speed auto would be sweet in the G6. A DI four banger might not be bad either mated to a six speed auto.

Nick

[kenman923]

We really won't know until the EPA puts its stamp on it.

[buildacariwant]

sharing a platform and powerplant with chevy is just more of GMs new strategy of pushing caddy downmarket after years of turnaround in the right direction. if caddy is going to be just an "upscale" option package on a chevy complete with the same engine tranny set-up then whats the point of buick pontiac and saturn?

i dont think anyone on here expects unique engines for caddy now that GM is in survival mode (years too late) but at least unique tuning and increased horsepower and refinement of a corporate powerplant since all GM brands will be sharing it.

[Quickening]

Originally Posted by buildacariwant

sharing a platform and powerplant with chevy is just more of GMs new strategy of pushing caddy downmarket after years of turnaround in the right direction. if caddy is going to be just an "upscale" option package on a chevy complete with the same engine tranny set-up then whats the point of buick pontiac and saturn?

i dont think anyone on here expects unique engines for caddy now that GM is in survival mode (years too late) but at least unique tuning and increased horsepower and refinement of a corporate powerplant since all GM brands will be sharing it.

They are not on the same platform.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by Quickening

They are not on the same platform.

whats not on the same platform?

[stevecmh]

sounds cool.. I hope the 3.0 has better MPG..

I kinda like the new Nox