GMI Exclusive: SRX, Equinox To Get 3.0L HF V6

[stick076]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Correct.
I don't care if everyone gets the best engine available, so long as Cadillac gets the Best + 1.

Tuning the Caddys for Premium and all other for Regular fuel would solve that very easily. I am in 100% agreement with you that Caddy deserves better but Chevy deserved better than they were getting too. Aparantly GM is seeing a benefit in using DOHC V6 engines because that is what all the new ones are. I'm glad that all brands are getting them but Caddy deserves a better V6... Turbo options would be nice.

[ciciusss]

Originally Posted by mkwelbornjr

So the GM OHV V6's are almost dead?

Not far from it.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by stick076

Tuning the Caddys for Premium and all other for Regular fuel would solve that very easily. I am in 100% agreement with you that Caddy deserves better but Chevy deserved better than they were getting too. Aparantly GM is seeing a benefit in using DOHC V6 engines because that is what all the new ones are. I'm glad that all brands are getting them but Caddy deserves a better V6... Turbo options would be nice.

Again... I don't mind that Equinox is getting this engine. I mind that Cadillac is getting it -- even if it is a "base" engine for the NA market. And the engine is still too large for international markets, as a 3.0L will be hit by high taxes. There's probably a 2.4-2.8L version floating around for those markets.

Originally Posted by ciciusss

Olds 88,

You are wasting your time arguing with Mgescuro. This is his pet peeve as it goes to the subject of exclusivity of Cadillac. To him he would rather a lesser engine be placed into a Chevrolet or Saturn instead of them getting the best engine that GM has in their inventory (Nevermind that GM got beat up for doing such things in the past).

Obviously, you bring up the fact that other car companies do the same thing sharing an engine within it's various luxury or mainstream brands. Just be prepared. If Marc thinks 2+2=5 he will argue to he is blue in the face that he is right and will not even acknowledge you have a good point if you were to say that it actually equaled 4. His arguments are typically contradictory and many times unfair in that he will critcize GM/ Cadillac for something, but does not do so with other car companies.

Learn to raise your expectations and quit being so accepting of mediocrity when it comes to Cadillac.

[gmD]

Originally posted by mgescuro
3.0L engine will be a great engine for GM ultimately. But in a Cadillac, it just shows the plebian status of the brand.]

Interesting reference suggesting that Cadillac is becoming a "commoner" brand, at least as far as engines go. I agree that Cadillac should still be GM's flagship brand, but the only association many people have with their engine is how it's connected to their gas pedal, so to speak. If the engine cover has a Wreath and Crest on it, only insiders will know it is shared.

[Stovebolt]

I would love a DOHC conversion of the LS series for cadillac.

[skylark68]

Sometimes I hate even seeing these Cadillac reports just because of the "Caddy can never get it right" type postings...

BMW doesn't have a lesser brand to share engines with, unless they find a way to shoehorn the 6 into a Mini.

MB would have done well to incorporate the Hemi into its E-Class or maybe some other models when they still owned most of Chrysler.

VW/Audi have shared many engines in the past.

Cadillac, let alone any of GM's other brands have not been spared from sharing since the late '70s unfortunately, even when GM controlled almost 2/3rds of the market. It's stupid that they shared engines then, but nowadays, when GM's struggling and living off of Ramen noodles, engine sharing is inevitable.

If Billy Durant was still around he'd probably buy Kia and use it to own GM again, then maybe Cadillac would start building their own engines again.

[Beau]

I just don't know why GM doesn't develop too many HOT versions of the same motor, thats ALL Nissan does.

How hard is it to, increase valve size +1MM, increase port volume, and change runner length and cam duration. Shade tree mechanics re-engineer vehicles like this in an afternoon.

2.3NA DI on a light RWD Pontiac, like 3000 lbs. Smaller car obviously.
Put some hot parts on the 3.0, And make a 270 horse GXP version, nice High revving all those goodies.

[Dr. Show-Me]

How large or small can this engine get? 2.5-4 liters?
I like the idea of several levels of displacement available for different brands.
A Chevy with a 2.5 and 3.6 V6,
a Pontiac with a 3 and 4L V6,
the Cadillac with a 3L, 4L, and Turbo version of the engine.
Same with V8s, 5L, 6L, and 7L, with the supercharged version for Cadillac, and a high-cost option on the others

[ciciusss]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Again... I don't mind that Equinox is getting this engine. I mind that Cadillac is getting it -- even if it is a "base" engine for the NA market. And the engine is still too large for international markets, as a 3.0L will be hit by high taxes. There's probably a 2.4-2.8L version floating around for those markets.



Learn to raise your expectations and quit being so accepting of mediocrity when it comes to Cadillac.

You are so predictable, Marc. Just like a moth to the flame. If you are putting the best engine in your inventory in the Cadillac as well as other brands, that is not mediocrity. But, I am not going to get into this with you because of what I posted earlier. You are inflexible, contradictory and unfair in many of your criticisms as it concerns GM/ Cadillac. And even when this is apparent to almost all but you, you still want to argue.

By the way, you have nearly 24,000 posts of which, all but about 100 contain any sort of originality. You could save us all the trouble by just providing a link to one of those few original posts. Surely you have something better to do with your time than sit in front of a computer and scan GMI forums. I have been to SF a number of times. There is plenty to do in that fine city.

[Docray1]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

I don't care if everyone gets the best engine available, so long as Cadillac gets the Best + 1
I am of the mindset that Cadillac is always and should be deserving of more. That will never change.

I will always have the stance that Cadillac should have the best of the best engines and equipment. Otherwise, what's the use of having a top tier brand, when it's treated decidedly second class?

You don't see SMART engines in Mercedes. You didn't see Chrysler engines in Mercedes.
You saw modified Duratecs in Jaguars -- not Duratecs.
You see modified W8 and W10 and W12 in Audis.
And so on.

3.0L engine will be a great engine for GM ultimately. But in a Cadillac, it just shows the plebian status of the brand.

I'm not lowering my standards for what I believe Cadillac can and should be. It's about time all you GMI lemmings start looking at the potential of Cadillac and how GM has ruined Cadillac... again... and the reasonings behind the ruination.

+1. Well said.

[vanshmack]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Whoooo... same engine as a Chevy!!
The news keeps getting better and better and better....
I hope the 9-4X is spared the ignominy.

I get so tired of seeing your whiny posts about GM
sharing tech across the line, I'm about to introduce you to my "blocked" list.

Get this through your snobby, elitest head: It's not 1962 anymore. It simply isn't feasible for each division to have it's own unique engines and technologies. If you don't amortize tech across a broad number products, that very same tech will be prohibitively expensive, and then you'd complain that costs too much

I'm not saying that GM doesn't need to do a better job differentiating it's products (and refining it's line so they don't have 9 lambdas), but the underlying tech should be spread out to keep costs down.

And if my Equinox happens to have the same motor as YOUR SRX, I have 3 words for you: BOO F'N HOO!

[vanshmack]

Originally Posted by ciciusss

You are so predictable, Marc. Just like a moth to the flame. If you are putting the best engine in your inventory in the Cadillac as well as other brands, that is not mediocrity. But, I am not going to get into this with you because of what I posted earlier. You are inflexible, contradictory and unfair in many of your criticisms as it concerns GM/ Cadillac. And even when this is apparent to almost all but you, you still want to argue.

By the way, you have nearly 24,000 posts of which, all but about 100 contain any sort of originality. You could save us all the trouble by just providing a link to one of those few original posts. Surely you have something better to do with your time than sit in front of a computer and scan GMI forums. I have been to SF a number of times. There is plenty to do in that fine city.

HERE HERE!

[benroethig]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

Again... I don't mind that Equinox is getting this engine. I mind that Cadillac is getting it -- even if it is a "base" engine for the NA market. And the engine is still too large for international markets, as a 3.0L will be hit by high taxes. There's probably a 2.4-2.8L version floating around for those markets.

Learn to raise your expectations and quit being so accepting of mediocrity when it comes to Cadillac.

Mediocre is a dramatic step above that attitude. We're in a major global recession and you seem to want GM to spend billions with very little positive return rather than more important and profitable vehicles for us poor commons just to match your snob ambitions. A cadillac isn't the car you want, thats a BMW or a Mercedes. If they survive that is.

[Dr. Show-Me]

The day of the shadetree mechanic is going away. With all the pollution controls on cars nowadays, they are a lot harder to work on and modify to still be street-legal.
They should bring out more factory hotrods. How about a 350 horsepower Turbo Alpha Cadillac, make mine the convertible. I'd buy one in a New York minute!

[gmD]

Originally Posted by ciciusss

If you are putting the best engine in your inventory in the Cadillac as well as other brands, that is not mediocrity.

I second this. The engine in question sounds good for a base engine, and if customers want more, they can dig deeper into their wallets and buy the upgrade.