U.S. Launch of Cruze Delayed

[44 mpg by 2010]

Originally Posted by eaton53

If they get to 44 hwy it'll be a massive hit.
It needs to get over 40 hwy with an automatic transmission.
Anything less is a disappointment.

I believe you are correct.

The mission of the XFE is fuel economy ... 44 mpg combined average?

I'm sorry, even though this is relatively high for the US market, it is NOT GM's best by a long DISAPPOINTING shot.

2010 Corsa diesel ecoFLEX, 70 kW/95 hp 1.3 CDTI, 3.7 l/100 km [~64mpg(US) combined average?], 3dr 98 g/km CO2 [5 dr 99 g/km.]
http://www.gmeurope.info/social_medi...98gkm-CO2.html

UK = 2009 Vauxhall Corsa 5 Door Hatchback 1.3CDTi 16v 75PS M5; 49.6/62.8/74.3 mpg(imperial) urban/combined/extra urban [3.8 L/100km extra urban]; 119 g/km CO2, 0.220 g/km NOx Emissions, [best guess kerb wt 1180 kg, overall lenght 3999 mm] approximately 52.3 mpg(US) combined average
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/sea...s.asp?id=22030



UK Cruze diesel 2.0VCDi LS (125PS) 4 5MT Door Saloon (with a/c) 145 g/km CO2, 0.150 g/km NOx Emissions; 40.4/51.4/61.4 mpg(imperial) urban/combined/extra urban [4.6 L/100km extra urban] approximately 42.8 mpg(US) combined average http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/sea...s.asp?id=23016



UK Cruze gasoline 1.6LS 4 Door Saloon (with a/c) 5MT 159 g/km CO2, 0.013 g/km NOx Emissions, [best guess kerb wt 1285 kg, overall lenght 4597 mm] ;31.4/41.5/51.4 mpg(imperial) urban/combined/extra urban [5.5 L/100km extra urban] approximately 34.6 mpg(US) combined average
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/sea...s.asp?id=23012

Sorry that is just the way I see it ...

And that is also the reason I wonder about what GM is doing about/with Opel.

[cdp326]

Originally Posted by prototype66

I know it is hard to wait but just a few things if I may.....
It will take a while to correct all the mis steps and bad procedures from the old GM. After all this new management system is still in the correction and implementation stages. Its only been a few months.

Better to make absolutely sure things are exactly the way they want it before launch to avoid the "same ol same ol GM" crap from critics and fan boys not giving them a break from the 80s and 90s stereotypes. Please let them do their jobs as best they can to get it right.

Just my opinion.

As much as I agree with you, we consistently hear that the next GM car is going to be the big one, including the Cobalt. I actually really appreciate his enthusiasm and support for the new models (very important for intros) but Lutz says this about any of the new car intros.
For the last few years "getting the model right" consisted of putting the new technology into another less mainstream brand to test it out before Chevy received it.
It's not even the delay of the Cruze as much as it is that the Cobalt hasn't changed much. The Cobalt hasn't received much more than a bit of trim here and there - new radios, steering wheel, wheels, etc. Meanwhile, the Equinox debuted the same model year as the Cobalt, but received an extensive interior update in 2007 and its 2010 redesign has been on sale for a month or two by now, with new powertrains (which seems to be what we're waiting on for the Cruze). Sure, it's more complicated than just all that, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating.

Originally Posted by Saturn69

The Civic is on a 4-year cycle, still. This current version will be the first Civic to go more than 4 years between models since the 1st gen in 1972, which lasted 7 years.

The current Civic will be the third to go more than 4 years; it's only the first Civic to go more than 5 years.
Sixth-gen: redesigned in 1996 - MCE in 1999
Seventh-gen: Redesigned in 2001 - MCE in 2004
Eighth-gen: Redesigned in 2006 - MCE in 2009

[CheetahDC]

Originally Posted by 44 mpg by 2010

I believe you are correct.

The mission of the XFE is fuel economy ... 44 mpg combined average?

I'm sorry, even though this is relatively high for the US market, it is NOT GM's best by a long DISAPPOINTING shot.

2010 Corsa diesel ecoFLEX, 70 kW/95 hp 1.3 CDTI, 3.7 l/100 km [~64mpg(US) combined average?], 3dr 98 g/km CO2 [5 dr 99 g/km.]
http://www.gmeurope.info/social_medi...98gkm-CO2.html

UK = 2009 Vauxhall Corsa 5 Door Hatchback 1.3CDTi 16v 75PS M5; 49.6/62.8/74.3 mpg(imperial) urban/combined/extra urban [3.8 L/100km extra urban]; 119 g/km CO2, 0.220 g/km NOx Emissions, [best guess kerb wt 1180 kg, overall lenght 3999 mm] approximately 52.3 mpg(US) combined average
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/sea...s.asp?id=22030



UK Cruze diesel 2.0VCDi LS (125PS) 4 5MT Door Saloon (with a/c) 145 g/km CO2, 0.150 g/km NOx Emissions; 40.4/51.4/61.4 mpg(imperial) urban/combined/extra urban [4.6 L/100km extra urban] approximately 42.8 mpg(US) combined average http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/sea...s.asp?id=23016



UK Cruze gasoline 1.6LS 4 Door Saloon (with a/c) 5MT 159 g/km CO2, 0.013 g/km NOx Emissions, [best guess kerb wt 1285 kg, overall lenght 4597 mm] ;31.4/41.5/51.4 mpg(imperial) urban/combined/extra urban [5.5 L/100km extra urban] approximately 34.6 mpg(US) combined average
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/sea...s.asp?id=23012

Sorry that is just the way I see it ...

And that is also the reason I wonder about what GM is doing about/with Opel.

GM's talking 44 with a gas motor, not a diesel motor. As much as I'd loooove to see diesel totally take off in the US...well, I don't see that happening too soon.

[PAULSTS1]

The Chevrolet Cruze more prominently than any other single car is GM’s lifeline, and it is mandatory that it be excellent. This is the reason a year ago I recommended that it not be released with a “dog” engine, but the best GM can offer. As recent as today I heard of speculation that the Cruze will offer a model with up to 44 MPG it is the kind of mileage GM needs to become a small car magnet; even more necessary initially than the Volt.

Give engineers the time necessary to make the launch perfection, because the Cruze will be watched and reported on without abandon.

[T'Cal]

Is the Cruze supposed to be the competition for Ford Fiesta? If so, Chevy is screwed...

[lio45]

Originally Posted by T'Cal

Is the Cruze supposed to be the competition for Ford Fiesta? If so, Chevy is screwed...

It's supposed to be the competition for MkIII Ford Focus. Decide for yourself if you think Chevy is still screwed.

[Simon says]

Originally Posted by T'Cal

Is the Cruze supposed to be the competition for Ford Fiesta? If so, Chevy is screwed...

Not really. The Aveo is . . . screw on.

[steve333]

Originally Posted by lio45

It's supposed to be the competition for MkIII Ford Focus. Decide for yourself if you think Chevy is still screwed.

Chevy is screwed

[member12]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

GM's working on getting the XFE model to 44. They have consistently pegged the standard Cruze at 40.

So I'm guessing 44 with the 6M and 40 with the 6A?

That's pretty impressive, especially if it doesn't suck wind and actually keeps up with traffic. I still think that it's an optimistic number considering that the oversea's version with the diesel engines barely gets that.

I'd still opt for 200+hp engine if it were available- sort of like a budget Acura TSX.

[member12]

Originally Posted by PAULSTS1

The Chevrolet Cruze more prominently than any other single car is GM’s lifeline, and it is mandatory that it be excellent. This is the reason a year ago I recommended that it not be released with a “dog” engine, but the best GM can offer. As recent as today I heard of speculation that the Cruze will offer a model with up to 44 MPG it is the kind of mileage GM needs to become a small car magnet; even more necessary initially than the Volt.

Give engineers the time necessary to make the launch perfection, because the Cruze will be watched and reported on without abandon.

That's great if that's the true reason behind the delay....but they'd better work to update the styling and handling of the car while they are at it.

It's already been on sale overseas for a while now. The competition had plenty of time to initiate a response to it....and I'm afraid that if they don't update it by the time it hits America, we are looking at just a better, more fuel efficient version of the Cobalt.

And seriously...any strides that GM makes in fuel economy will be copied by Honda, who won't screw up the rest of their car. Even if they do, people will still buy.

[44 mpg by 2010]

Originally Posted by member12

So I'm guessing 44 with the 6M and 40 with the 6A?

That's pretty impressive, especially if it doesn't suck wind and actually keeps up with traffic. I still think that it's an optimistic number considering that the oversea's version with the diesel engines barely gets that.

I'd still opt for 200+hp engine if it were available- sort of like a budget Acura TSX.

Thanks member12!

At least someone on this forum sees reality.

UK Cruze diesel 2.0VCDi LS (125PS) 4 5MT Door Saloon (with a/c) 145 g/km CO2, 0.150 g/km NOx Emissions; 40.4/51.4/61.4 mpg(imperial) urban/combined/extra urban [4.6 L/100km extra urban] approximately 42.8 mpg(US) combined average
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/sea...s.asp?id=23016

The 44 mpg Cruze may become an exercise in "futility" ... unless GM does the "traditional thing" and decides to settle for 44 mpg HIGHWAY.

Keep in mind the 2010 OPEL Corsa diesel ecoFLEX, 70 kW/95 hp 1.3 CDTI, 3.7 l/100 km [~64mpg(US) combined average?], 3dr 98 g/km CO2 [5 dr 99 g/km.]

[staspeterson]

Originally Posted by 44 mpg by 2010

I believe you are correct.

The mission of the XFE is fuel economy ... 44 mpg combined average?

I'm sorry, even though this is relatively high for the US market, it is NOT GM's best by a long DISAPPOINTING shot.

2010 Corsa diesel ecoFLEX, 70 kW/95 hp 1.3 CDTI, 3.7 l/100 km [~64mpg(US) combined average?], 3dr 98 g/km CO2 [5 dr 99 g/km.]
http://www.gmeurope.info/social_medi...98gkm-CO2.html

UK = 2009 Vauxhall Corsa 5 Door Hatchback 1.3CDTi 16v 75PS M5; 49.6/62.8/74.3 mpg(imperial) urban/combined/extra urban [3.8 L/100km extra urban]; 119 g/km CO2, 0.220 g/km NOx Emissions, [best guess kerb wt 1180 kg, overall lenght 3999 mm] approximately 52.3 mpg(US) combined average
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/sea...s.asp?id=22030



UK Cruze diesel 2.0VCDi LS (125PS) 4 5MT Door Saloon (with a/c) 145 g/km CO2, 0.150 g/km NOx Emissions; 40.4/51.4/61.4 mpg(imperial) urban/combined/extra urban [4.6 L/100km extra urban] approximately 42.8 mpg(US) combined average http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/sea...s.asp?id=23016



UK Cruze gasoline 1.6LS 4 Door Saloon (with a/c) 5MT 159 g/km CO2, 0.013 g/km NOx Emissions, [best guess kerb wt 1285 kg, overall lenght 4597 mm] ;31.4/41.5/51.4 mpg(imperial) urban/combined/extra urban [5.5 L/100km extra urban] approximately 34.6 mpg(US) combined average
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/sea...s.asp?id=23012

Sorry that is just the way I see it ...

And that is also the reason I wonder about what GM is doing about/with Opel.

If you let me strip off all the pollution control equipment, (or not add it at all), as the phonys in the EU do, I bet that You and I could build a car that gets more than 44 mpg. So what ?

[Driver Tom]

Originally Posted by Slideways

The average American has no idea what a Cruze is. They will never know about the delay. Neither of my roommates have any idea what it is, a number of my friends who are "truck guys" have no idea either. Besides, maybe they had to work out some supplier issues that had to do with quality and chose to sort it out rather than start building them anyway. We don't know.

Good point.

A Volt delay, however...

[kenman923]

All I can say that this is classic GM.

[TuffG929]

Originally Posted by Saturn69

I think the days of the four-year product cycle are coming to an end.

Not if Ford has a say in the matter. They've drastically cut their product life cycles.

Even Honda is considering stretching it to six years, so as to save costs.

Honda has been doing a lot of strange things lately. Have you seen any of the recent Acuras?