Only@GMI: Cadillac Zeta Car Rumored Dead

[Sal Collaziano]

Originally Posted by AERO1

If this is true, what is going to happen to the next gen STS? GM said they were going to replace the DTS and STS with a bigger luxury sedan set to take on Mercedes and BMW. This new sedan is supposed to launch in 2011 as a 2012 model.

Did you read the first post in this thread? It's been rumored to be dead for about a week now. The DT7 is the STS/DTS replacement... Or was...

[goatgary]

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

Big car, small cabin - or do my eyes deceive me?

Cabin OK. Check out centerline of front wheel to A Pillar. Looooong hood....and I love it!

[camaro_freak]

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

I think this is unofficially the end of the "Renaissance"...

Renaissance???? We never even started...

Finally building a couple competent/competitive vehicles for a couple of the brands hardly puts GM into a Renaissance.

Killing this vehicle is a mistake, and GM had officially laid down and bent over for CAFE insteading of figuring something out and being creative, they'd rather just say it is out of their hands and give up.

[Rocket 88]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

None of this matters anymore.

GM doesn't have the money to support Cadillac.
GM has effectively wasted about $6 billion on Cadillac's failed Renaissance.
GM has now trashed all goodwill it has built up the past 5-6 years with "Art and Science."

Cadillac is now no better than it was in the mid-1990's.
It is an ineffective competitor in an ever competitive segment.
And its ENTIRE product line is a complete joke.

You have a DTS that is essentially unchanged for almost 12 years.
You have an STS that attracts no one.
You have an SRX that has never sold to its potential, and an upcoming SRX that is FWD.
You have a BLS that cannot sell in Europe, and a revised BLS that is vaporware.
You have an Escalade that is dying in these times of high gas prices, with rumors that it will shift to Lambda.
And you have the XLR that has no hope of ever competing with the SL, with an MCE that made it ugly and decidedly unsophisticated.

All we have is the CTS, which is too large, under-contented, and awkwardly priced in the market. It is not good enough to attract conquest buyers, only the low-hanging fruit. And GM has continued delusions of CTS succeeding Europe.


Why anyone would have a reason to buy a Cadillac is beyond me because there isn't one. Unless you want a car that is no better than a "value luxury" automobile, there is no reason to bother with a Cadillac.

Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Jaguar, Lexus, Infiniti. THESE are the luxury cars of the future. THESE will be your choices.

Cadillac is effectively dead.

How can you live in the San Fran Bay Area and be so negative all the time? I thought it was suppose to be nice out there. Screw it. Send the Giants back to New York where they belong and try to cheer up!

Hey, I'm not saying you don't make some good points... but some of us on the board are getting concerned about your mental health. You seem stressed.

Oh, and JAGUAR comment about being the luxury car of the future. Jaguar??? Jaguar is a money pit of broken dreams.

[Hunid Racks]

Throw the terms UAW and Tundra in this thread, mix in a Buickman post and the hysteria is complete.

Rumors about a rumored car that nobody has any knowledge about fueled with a bit of Motor Trend nonsense & this is on page seven in 24 hours. Too bad the energy isn't used for lighting a few homes.

No wonder we send such morons to Washington, we like to be misled.

[Ambalanche]

Originally Posted by Rocket 88

How can you live in the San Fran Bay Area and be so negative all the time? I thought it was suppose to be nice out there. Screw it. Send the Giants back to New York where they belong and try to cheer up!

Oh, and JAGUAR is going to the luxury car of the future. Jaguar??? LMAO.

I sat in a new Jaguar XF last weekend and to me the CTS' interior is nicer. The Jag has alot of cheap plastic in it including the articulating vents!

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by Rocket 88

How can you live in the San Fran Bay Area and be so negative all the time? I thought it was suppose to be nice out there. Screw it. Send the Giants back to New York where they belong and try to cheer up!

Hey, I'm not saying you don't make some good points... but some of us on the board are getting concerned about your mental health. You seem stressed.

Oh, and JAGUAR comment about being the luxury car of the future. Jaguar??? Jaguar is a money pit of broken dreams.

It is absolutely awesome and beautiful to live in the Bay Area. But that being said, I can easily say what I said because the world's best luxury cars live and breed in the San Francisco Bay Area, particularly in the City.

You can go to any number of social events -- Symphony/Opera/Ballet openings, yacht parties, private parties, grand openings, red carpet openings, fashion shows, and other prestige events, and you're not going to see one Cadillac. But we all know Cadillac can and should be able to stand tall at these prestige events. It just doesn't.
It's just a sad truth of it all.

Even the City's luxury hotels (The Palace, Westin, St. Regis, Ritz, Fairmont, Mark-Hopkins et al) use Audis, BMW's, Mercedes, Jaguars, and Rolls-Royces as hotel cars.

Originally Posted by markform

Cadillac is already a joke luxury car.

Unfortunately, I agree.
They made significant strides in recent years. But they have backtracked. And that is causing, and has caused a dissolution of the goodwill that Cadillac was building up.

[Sal Collaziano]

Regarding "renaissance" - I meant for Cadillac. They really had something going for awhile there...

Your laid down and bent over statement was great. I agree..

Originally Posted by camaro_freak

Renaissance???? We never even started...

Finally building a couple competent/competitive vehicles for a couple of the brands hardly puts GM into a Renaissance.

Killing this vehicle is a mistake, and GM had officially laid down and bent over for CAFE insteading of figuring something out and being creative, they'd rather just say it is out of their hands and give up.

[drew770]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

None of this matters anymore.

GM doesn't have the money to support Cadillac.
GM has effectively wasted about $6 billion on Cadillac's failed Renaissance.
GM has now trashed all goodwill it has built up the past 5-6 years with "Art and Science."

Cadillac is now no better than it was in the mid-1990's.
It is an ineffective competitor in an ever competitive segment.
And its ENTIRE product line is a complete joke.

You have a DTS that is essentially unchanged for almost 12 years.
You have an STS that attracts no one.
You have an SRX that has never sold to its potential, and an upcoming SRX that is FWD.
You have a BLS that cannot sell in Europe, and a revised BLS that is vaporware.
You have an Escalade that is dying in these times of high gas prices, with rumors that it will shift to Lambda.
And you have the XLR that has no hope of ever competing with the SL, with an MCE that made it ugly and decidedly unsophisticated.

All we have is the CTS, which is too large, under-contented, and awkwardly priced in the market. It is not good enough to attract conquest buyers, only the low-hanging fruit. And GM has continued delusions of CTS succeeding Europe.


Why anyone would have a reason to buy a Cadillac is beyond me because there isn't one. Unless you want a car that is no better than a "value luxury" automobile, there is no reason to bother with a Cadillac.

Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Jaguar, Lexus, Infiniti. THESE are the luxury cars of the future. THESE will be your choices.

Cadillac is effectively dead.

So true but very sad.
But this just shows that GM doesn't have the resources to support all these brands.

So Caddy, Pontiac & Buick will just die on the vine while we wait for the Volt and the Cobalt/Whatever it's name!!

Do GM really think consumers will stick around waiting for Caddy to get its stuff together when even Hyundai is playing at the top of their game?

You better get your Camaro in the first couple of years because Zeta is good as gone.

[Sal Collaziano]

I don't know.. I'm really loving Jaguars lately..... Both of these were on the road next to me yesterday...

Originally Posted by Rocket 88

How can you live in the San Fran Bay Area and be so negative all the time? I thought it was suppose to be nice out there. Screw it. Send the Giants back to New York where they belong and try to cheer up!

Hey, I'm not saying you don't make some good points... but some of us on the board are getting concerned about your mental health. You seem stressed.

Oh, and JAGUAR comment about being the luxury car of the future. Jaguar??? Jaguar is a money pit of broken dreams.

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by Ambalanche

I sat in a new Jaguar XF last weekend and to me the CTS' interior is nicer. The Jag has alot of cheap plastic in it including the articulating vents!

The only "cheap plastic" in the XF is the fakey aluminum plastic buttons.
The whole dash is stitched leather -- an option not currently available on CTS.

[Z284ever]

Caddy isn't dead. Sigma is secure until 2015 and so is the CTS coupe and wagon. If GM quickens it's step on Alpha, Caddy might have a 3 series competitor, (maybe a family of 'em), by MY '12 (and as a side note: perhaps a 6th gen Camaro off the same architecture).

Zeta though, is a dead man walking.....

[EldoFan]

Originally Posted by mgescuro

None of this matters anymore.

GM doesn't have the money to support Cadillac.
GM has effectively wasted about $6 billion on Cadillac's failed Renaissance.
GM has now trashed all goodwill it has built up the past 5-6 years with "Art and Science."

Cadillac is now no better than it was in the mid-1990's.
It is an ineffective competitor in an ever competitive segment.
And its ENTIRE product line is a complete joke.

You have a DTS that is essentially unchanged for almost 12 years.
You have an STS that attracts no one.
You have an SRX that has never sold to its potential, and an upcoming SRX that is FWD.
You have a BLS that cannot sell in Europe, and a revised BLS that is vaporware.
You have an Escalade that is dying in these times of high gas prices, with rumors that it will shift to Lambda.
And you have the XLR that has no hope of ever competing with the SL, with an MCE that made it ugly and decidedly unsophisticated.

All we have is the CTS, which is too large, under-contented, and awkwardly priced in the market. It is not good enough to attract conquest buyers, only the low-hanging fruit. And GM has continued delusions of CTS succeeding Europe.


Why anyone would have a reason to buy a Cadillac is beyond me because there isn't one. Unless you want a car that is no better than a "value luxury" automobile, there is no reason to bother with a Cadillac.

Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Jaguar, Lexus, Infiniti. THESE are the luxury cars of the future. THESE will be your choices.

Cadillac is effectively dead.

So sad, but so so true.

Lincoln FTW?

[the_smurf2008]

I cannot say I am sorry. Let the CTS run with it and bring on a 3 series sized RWD

[mgescuro]

Originally Posted by Chazman

Caddy isn't dead. Sigma is secure until 2015. If GM quickens it's step on Alpha, Caddy might have a 3 series competitor by MY '12 (and perhaps a 6th gen Camaro off the same architecture).

Zeta though, is a dead man walking.....

GM's already stated that Sigma/Sigma II is "too expensive."
How long to develop a new STS on Sigma II? 3 years tops? 18 months if we're lucky? So, if they start today, we'd get one by Spring 2011.

Alpha is already around 2012, assuming it survives cuts. Too late. A new 3-series will be out by then, as well as a C-Class MCE.

But what about DTS? Will Sigma II be extensible enough to support it? Doubt it. So it stays on K-Body for about half decade?

What else is there at Cadillac? Not much else.