GMI's Revitalization in Action | The Dream Pontiac Lineup

[Rayzilla]

Firebird: Too close to the Camaro for me. Besides, could Pontiac support two sport coupes? Maybe not right off the bat.

GTO: WOW! The front end brings back the old ones and the rest is modern with enough styling cues to make you think GTO! Good job.

G8: Love the car, hate the name. When I was just reading the into all I could see when Holden was mentioned was another styling flop like the current GTO. Too Australian, not enough American. This G8 though...good job!

G6: Not a too radical design change from the current one, but a just-right evolution of the current one.

G4: Not expecting one?

I say bring back the Bonneville, Grand Prix, Grand Am names. Make the G8 the Bonnie and put the GP in between it and the G6! These are long-standing nameplates that America recognizes. I think the public would get a heck of a lot more excited over a completely revitalized Grand Prix than they would an all-new G8.

That said - they could ALWAYS introduce the "GRX"!

[New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66]

Originally Posted by FBODYRULES

as for your idea for the GTO, I doubt there all ever be any GTO produced to look like a 65 for lots of reasons, although they are cool cars of course.

seeya

And just why couldn't GM make a GTO that harkens and hints to the '65-'67 GTO's? Is there some technical reason? If they can do it with the Camaro, why not the GTO?

I guess I am just about the only one with the dissenting opinion that these look like ****************. I have'nt seen anything this hideous, all of them, since the Rev and Pirahhna concepts from the late 1990s. Those were plastic cladding galour. I see the same thing here.

Man, if these are produced, consumers will not be helped from laughing.

I'm sure these took allot of time. And I appreciate the effort.

I like smoother lines. Soothing lines.

I'm sorry, but I'm just ashamed that these are gonna make there way across the Web. I sure hope GM is moving about 180 degrees from these.

[Gearhead]

The GTO is amazing looking. I love the retro themes on it. I do think, however, as a holo car it should recieve the LS-7. That would really make it stand apart from everyone else, and go head-to-head with the new Shelby.

[SigEpCutlass]

Originally Posted by New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66

I guess I am just about the only one with the dissenting opinion that these look like ****************. I have'nt seen anything this hideous, all of them, since the Rev and Pirahhna concepts from the late 1990s. Those were plastic cladding galour. I see the same thing here.

I don't see what you do at all. There is no plastic cladding all over the doors on any of the photoshopped pics in this topic like the 1990's Grand Am's or other Pontiacs from that era. The doors are smooth and flow with the rest of the vehicle.

[Ytriox]

Cars look good, but the lineup seems a bit sparse.

My ideal Pontiac lineup:

G5: FWD/AWD Sedan/Coupe, I-4 engines, 15-30k price range, GXP: AWD, 300hp twin turbo I-4

Solstice: see current model

G6: RWD/AWD Sedan based on proposed Torana platform, V-6 (~200, ~250) and 8 (~350 hp) engines, price range 19-33k price range, GXP: RWD 350hp V-8

Firebird: Coupe/convertible version of G6.

Trans Am: Limited production Firebird with unique exterior trim and 425 hp V-8.

G8: RWD/AWD Sedan based on Zeta platform, fully unique sheetmetal, V-6 (~250 hp), V-8 (~350 hp, ~425 hp) engines, price range 25-40k, GXP: RWD 425 hp

GTO: Coupe version of G8, RWD, V-8 engines only.

Crossover: 2 door, AWD, V-6, performance tuned vehicle similar to PreVue/Antara GTC and T2X concepts, GXP: DI Turbo V-6 ~ 320 hp

And, it's probably a pipe dream, but how about:

Fiero: 2 seat, Mid-engine, RWD, convertible, V-6 engines, 25-35k price range, share platform with a Cadillac Cien to share development costs

[NOS2006]

Originally Posted by eb110americana

I completely see what you're saying, but by the same logic, the 260 HP 2.0 DI Turbo negates the need for almost every V6 engine GM makes. Only the very latest 3.6L HF DOHC clears that HP by a mere 15 ponies at most and doesn't even make more torque. The FWD Northstars also barely make more, but all those motors exist for different markets.

The idea with the 4500 OHV V6 was to do a truck engine that could also be high performance in the way that the Corvette engine is. It's relatively cheap to build, gets good milage and has decent numbers.

By making a base model with around 250 HP but lots of torque, it could be loafing around near idle in most driving with a six speed. It would be plenty smaller than the LS V8 block, and so would better fit into midsize vehicles as well as not upset their balance as much.

So there could be a base 250 HP 4500 in things like the minivans, the Malibu, Impala, GMT900s, pick ups, and some base Buicks. Then a model with a less fuel efficient cam could easily be implemented up to around 300 HP for performance vehicles.

The top model would get the heads pumped up to three valves meaning greater cost, but similar size. I figure something north of 300 HP. Compared to the 5300, it would be a much racier engine that would be basically the "LS7 flagship of the OHV V6s."

The 5.3L V8 is a much more relaxed, sizable, and heavy engine that is more like its truck brethren and is only one notch above the base 4.8L V8. With the 3-valve heads the V8 could be making even more power than this, but that is not the way it's configured in my example.

Gotcha. However, remember that when they add DI to the 3.6 V6, it'll reportedly boost power by at least 15%. So that'll easily put it at 315+ HP, which is 55 over the turbo'd 2.0 DI. But, I do see what you're saying... and good thinking with various levels of the same engines (torque-induced tune, regular tune, 3-valve heads).

[SigEpCutlass]

I almost forgot to mention this earlier...what is the deal with no manual transmission for the GTO? How do you figure that? My uncle owns a '70 GTO with 4 ON THE FLOOR that is kept in climate controlled storage. There's no way in hell GM can offer a vehicle with performance heritage like the GTO without an available 6speed MANUAL like there was on the last Holden Manaro/GTO. Also, if Pontiac were smart, the G8 would truely be able to compete with BMW's if they gave it an available 6speed MANUAL.

[New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66]

Originally Posted by SigEpCutlass

I don't see what you do at all. There is no plastic cladding all over the doors on any of the photoshopped pics in this topic like the 1990's Grand Am's or other Pontiacs from that era. The doors are smooth and flow with the rest of the vehicle.

Maybe not the plastic cladding. I guess when I first saw these my initial reaction was perhaps a 'Sam Kinison scream'. Initially, I didn't know where to start. Now that I've been able to attempt to digest these (although it still keeps trying to come up) let me be more specific. I'll address each:

Firebird: Looks to futuristic. Don't care for the big open billboard space on the bumper. Also don't much care for the headlight area. Overall? Looks comical.

GTO: This is maybe the least hideous of these. Kinda looks like a '68. Although I prefer the looks of the '65-'67. This has possibilities, but would prefer something reminiscent of the '65-'67 GTO.

G8: This is just downright a photochop of the current Grand Prix. Nothing new.

G6: Looks comical. The nose is too pointy. Looks kinda like the 'Chicken Hawk' from the Bugs Bunny cartoons.

I prefer more subdued lines. Less is more. Soothing lines. Warm lines.

The GTO is perhaps the least hideous. The others just seem almost comical.

[NOS2006]

Originally Posted by New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66

I prefer more subdued lines. Less is more. Soothing lines. Warm lines.

You said it perfect: less is more. Every line has to count, not just be there. If the line doesn't really count, why is it being used?

[JCS30TH]

Not feeling the front end of the bird.

That GTO is pure raw sex. AWESOME.

The Grand Prix need to loose the huge grills.

No love for the Grand AM

If they put out a GTO like that, they might as well set up an octogan at the dealers, cause there is going to be a brutal fight to get one of those.

[civilzues]

umm, thoes are not that nice! The Firebird looks like poop

[frodo]

i really don't like how that firebird looks, but the GTO is sweet. if it looks that good from the other angles, and had performance to match, i'd take one over a corvette (not a Z06, though)
The G8 lookes great. i can't wait to see the production version.
the G6 needs a better front end. the current one looks better.

[jonboy78]

Like the G8 because this is a more likely car then the gto to hit the line. I undersatnd that Pontiac is the youthful line up at GM but Chev will not give up bragging rights with the corvette. So no matter how much of a flagship you make the gto it will be hard to compete dollar for dollar to a vette.

[Black04GTO]

Finally, a little EXCITEMENT about the EXCITEMENT DIVISION!!

[redfox]

Forget the firebird it's looks to much like the camaro we don't need two of them. The GTO looks great and would sell good. A new firebird shouldn't have any of the camaros sheet metal.