![]() |
|
|
|||||||
| Register | Home | Forum | Active Topics | Media Gallery | Mark Forums Read |
![]() |
|
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
|
#16 (permalink) |
|
6.0 Liter Vortec V8
Join Date: Nov 2004
Drives: 03 GMC Savana
91 Honda CRX
Posts: 1,688
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Why should we think the Aura will do so well? There is a 94 day supply sitting out there. Has it not been out long enough? Is the advertising lacking? Maybe sales will build, but so far it doesn't look good to me. The Cobalt has a 98 day supply vs. a 40 day supply for the Civic.
I'm just wrapping up John DeLorean's book "On a Clear Day you can see General Motors". Say what you will about his drug deal and his own car and his lifestyle, BUT as far as I can tell he was a hell of an engineer and a hell of a good manager. Evidently people at GM thought highly of him since he went up so fast and did well at each job. But he just quit. Fed up with the obstructionism, delay and flat incompetence at the top. Bean counters running the show, and this was in the 60's-70's. What was the path of the current CEO? What I'm reading in this book, coupled with Lutz's rant a few days about about CAFE, but really about what he seems to think about GM's continued dependence and focus on big heavy cars and trucks, tells me things haven't changed enough at the top. Imagine you're a mid-level manager within GM who has a view different from what Lutz (and Wagoner) apparently believes. How comfortable would you be in really pushing for what you believed? Lutz talks about 'gotta have' stuff. BS. What the VAST majority of people gotta have is transportation. Most people apparently don't eat and sleep cars. They are happy to buy 'toasters' that work. Bitching about CAFE, CR, or the wrong perception that the general public has about GM is not helpful. Also, think about the sorry situation GM is in from a management perspective. Lutz is viewed as some kind of savior; if not for him GM would be lost. The guy is how old? Is there not ONE other person within GM who could do what he does? Is there not ONE person outside of GM who could be brought in who could do what Lutz does? Come on. And Wagoner. There were strong indications that the board was wavering in the support of Wagoner a few months ago. But who else? Guess they didn't have an answer. Jack Welch, widely viewed as a management guru, has said the number ONE responsibility of a board is to have a strong bench with several people who could step into the top job and not miss a beat. Does Welch know whereof he speaks? If so, GM is in trouble starting at the board and on down. So far, I'm impressed with Mulally. He's holding people responsible and expecting them to be prepared for meetings. And he's making moves. I'm afraid it's too late for Ford, but if Ford could lure him, why not GM? At least the guy has a record other than bubbling up within GM. Isn't there somebody else out there of his caliber? |
|
|
|
| Sponsored Links | |
Advertisement |
|
|
|
#17 (permalink) |
|
4.4 Liter Supercharged Northstar
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,394
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
On a Clear Day... is an awesome book. Just be aware that it is one person's perspective, and can be expected to make that person look good.
__________________
truedelta.com More useful reliability research -- need more GM vehicles! Real-world fuel economy Price comparisons, quick and thorough |
|
|
|
|
|
#18 (permalink) | |
|
6.0 Liter Vortec V8
Join Date: Nov 2004
Drives: 03 GMC Savana
91 Honda CRX
Posts: 1,688
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Quote:
Of course it really wasn't written by DeLorean, but by J. Partick Wright who used what DeLorean told him as well as gave him in the form of files. I don't know to what extent Wright checked the material with other sources. The credibility of the book though is enhanced by what was written years later by Keller and Maynard as well as by James Womack's book. And by losses in market share that continue over 30 years later. Last edited by Havasavana : 01-01-2007 at 11:54 AM. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#20 (permalink) |
|
3.9 Liter V6
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NY
Drives: 2005 Pontiac G6
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee
Posts: 912
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Pricing is still an issue.
How can GM talk a big talk about lowering pricing on their line ups and then make the Solstice have a $21995 price tag???? What happened to Putz-Lutz sasying that the Solstice was to be a sub-$20k car? Greed.... that's what it is.... That only goes to show me that GM thinks every car other than the Solstice is over priced and not worth it. Guess what? That Solstice is WAY OVER PRICED. For the amount of money, you could easily get a new Camaro when it comes out and it will be a much better car. GM still has not gotten the point.
__________________
God, I still can't believe that the GTO is getting yet another chance while the Firebird has to sit out yet again.... How many times is the b@st@rd child going to get at bat before the venerated veteran gets to return to the game??? Lutz, Wagoner.... time to go to the retirement home.... You've left your keys in the fridge one too many times. |
|
|
|
|
|
#21 (permalink) | |
|
3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 609
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Quote:
![]() Great review/preview by the way! |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#22 (permalink) | ||
|
GMI Staff Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Celestial Being
Drives: 2007 Saturn Aura XR, 2007 BMW 335xi
Posts: 2,429
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
|
||
|
|
|
|
|
#23 (permalink) |
|
3.8 Liter V6
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: texas
Drives: 1996 cougar
Posts: 396
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
I hate to be any kind of downer to GM, but Saturn is not GMs great savior. They came up with nothing new, they have nothing extrodinary that is their own. If you want to call anyone GM NA's savior, it is Opel, the company that delivers every Saturn to the dealership except the Outlook and Sky. Incidentally, Opel also has a version of the Sky, the GT. It is identical, just like every other saturn is to an opel. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, in fact I'm surprised it took this long for GM to import the good cars it produces from Europe. It's just I don't think Saturn as a company should be praised beyond belief. They just happened to be the recipient in greatest need of some new life. It could have easily been Pontiac or Chevy that got these great vehicles. And next year? It will be the year of Zeta from the Aussies and all the great vehicles spawned from the platform coming together and teasing us an incredibly large amount before 2008 and the new rwd vehicles.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#24 (permalink) | |
|
3.8 Liter V6
Join Date: Jul 2006
Drives: '04 SSR 5.3L
Posts: 480
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Quote:
Where do you get this figure????????? You read like your a doom and gloom on GM
__________________
The Volt is a total electric car with a "range extender" Remove ICE, add more/better battery's and you have the EV-2 "We Probably Could Have Saved Ourselves, But We Were Too Damned Lazy To Try Very Hard......And Too Damn Cheap" Kurt Vonnegut |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#25 (permalink) |
|
6.0 Liter Vortec V8
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Michigan
Drives: 2008 Mazda3S
Posts: 1,843
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Some things from 2007 that are already sparking my intrest:
2008 Enclave, Astra, "BRX" "9-4x" and the Buick theta- hopefully they keep the rendezvous name. 2008 MCE Cobalt along with G5 and a very big hope that the CAMARO comes out in August rather than 2008. NOTE: when using spell check camaro was not in the dictionary and it asked me to change it with freakin camry. thats not funny at all
__________________
Wanted: an RWD 'Alpha' Buick, just no corporate radio this coming from a 24 year old! |
|
|
|
|
|
#26 (permalink) | |
|
3.8 Liter Supercharged V6
Join Date: Oct 2005
Drives: 2.4l
Posts: 634
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Quote:
![]() |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#27 (permalink) |
|
5.3 Liter LS4 V8
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Muskego, WI
Drives: 04' Grand Prix GT
03' Pierce Saber Fire Engine
Posts: 3,257
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
great to see that Toyota recalled more vehicles this year. hopefully some large news agency will pick up on that story..
GM is defintily in the midst of the big turn around. i cant wait to see what the next few years bring |
|
|
|
|
|
#28 (permalink) | |
|
GMI Staff Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Celestial Being
Drives: 2007 Saturn Aura XR, 2007 BMW 335xi
Posts: 2,429
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Quote:
![]()
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#29 (permalink) | |
|
6.0 Liter Vortec V8
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,641
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Quote:
1. Any word on whether the Astra will be offering a diesel powerplant here in the states ? I *really* think GM has an opportunity to take the lead in the upcoming diesel trend. I hope they don't blow this one. 2. Any details on the Cobalt enhancement? Will it be something like a refresh that includes new radio knobs, or will it be more indepth with different powertrain options and design change? Here is my fear with the Cobalt: GM was happy to announce that the Cobalt is finally profitable. Therefore, they will invest no serious money into the refresh in order to retain the "profitibality" status for the model. End result, like too many GM vehicles to list, the Cobalt will quickly become uncompetitive, wither and die on the vine. My hope with this vehicle is that they not only stay competitive, but shoot for class leadership. GM, please do the right thing with the Cobalt. 3. What is the realistic forecast for the Aveo? Will it go away, will it be mildly refreshed, or will it be enhanced enough to compete with the other new subcompacts? Thanks for the nice write up. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#30 (permalink) | |
|
6.0 Liter Vortec V8
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,641
|
Re: GM: 2006 Review, 2007 Preview
Quote:
His statements align precisely with what I say once a week on this board: For each bit of encouraging news we get from GM, we get an equally horrid bit of news that completely cancels out any hope and ultimately returns me to a state of despair with regards to thoughts about GM in general. One week we get Wagoner talking publicly about plugins, and the very next week we get Lutz making an arse of himself and everyone around him by blaming GM's woes on strict CAFE standards. Just when I think GM is turning the corner, I hear something that reminds me they are still oldschool corporate mentality, talking out of both sides of their neck. Will the real GM please stand up? |
|
|
|
|
| Sponsored Links | |
Advertisement |
|