Breaking: GM Board Decides to Keep Opel

[PeteM143]

Originally Posted by T3000

Oh yes, this is a real smart move.

It is really smart to fool the european public for over a year, to torture the Opel workers and related companies as well as dealers.

Of course nobody has lost confidence despite the silly and unaccountable behaviour of GM management because the whole world is waiting for GM and its products.

You guys do not have a clue at all. Gues what will happen: Opel will go bankrupt soon, and I really hope that no government will pay a single euro as a support for this so called restructuring plan that will likely be as stupid as any other effort the GM managemant did in the past few years.

But of course....americans do not worry because they will allways make it because they are american.

You were concerned about the russians getting access to GM IP because you appear to still live in the cold war.

I tell you what: I prefer dealing with russians instead of americans that are full of stupid arrogance and are not reliable partners at all.

**** YOU!

**CK You too, jackass!!!! GM has owned Opel for decades and employed gobs of Europeans. You would prefer GM import more Korean Chevrolets and flood your market? Did you think they were going to give up Europe just because Opel might get sold? You're a dope.

What do the Russians or Magna really know about buildings cars.???.. not much moron. Opel is way more likely to fail without GM than with it.

Your Euro-centric, snotty everything American is so bad sh*tty attitude shines right through. You holier than thou Euro-Trash spend all your time saying America is so damn awful, but man you guys consume a lot of US goods and expect us to be there to protect you with our military.

You can kiss our star-spangled asses. We're keeping Opel and you'll have to live with it!

[Burnout Czar]

Originally Posted by Bravada

So suddenly Chrysler is f*cked and GM is back in gear!

Hopefully the Italians don't finish running what little is left of Chrysler into the ground. I really don't have much faith in them to get this right.

Originally Posted by TKR

You wanna talk arrogance? I used to deal with Opel when sourcing vehicles into NZ a few years ago. The Americans do not have arrogance all to themselves. Apparently there are no good ideas outside of Opel. I for one hope the new GM, which appears to be going through a huge culture change, can make significant changes in this thinking.

Does anyone remember that Peter Hanenberger was denied the Presidency role at Opel because he agreed with GM NA that Opel needed to be engineering it's vehicles for GM global consumption? The Opel board and Unions voted against him because they feared change.
Had he succeeded he would have pushed for design and engineering to have greater input into future models with a possible result that Opel would have had a worldwide presence much like VW. Perhaps Buick would have had Opel / NA engineered vehicle years ago?

I experience the German arrogance on a daily basis, unfortunately our management choses to ignore it.

Originally Posted by Smoke

**** You Too!!

Originally Posted by T3000

This is why you do not have recognized at all that within the last decades americans are considered as arrogant and stupid around europe.

You're right: There were times when Americans were considered as reasonable friends. Sad that this has changed in the last 20 years without america even being interested in taking notice of this change.

As I said: I would prefer dealing with russians as they are not less reliable than americans but at least more authentic. Americans have just proven to be liars!

I can't think of a time when Germans were ever considered anyone's friends considering what you did to the world. US 2 Germany 0 or wait US 3 (counting opel) Germany 0.

Originally Posted by Idler Arm

some of our leaders may fit the bill but not the general populace.

Don't cowtail to this moron like the Dictator Barack Obama.

Originally Posted by targa

night time here... some 6h to go before people open their eyes.

What a wonderful surprise the Opel workers will wake up to, I hope they love their new bosses!

[Burnout Czar]

Originally Posted by Idler Arm

obviously you have forgotten who came over there and saved your sorry butts more than once. neer underestimate those American Boys...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41zDp...eature=related

Originally Posted by Smoke

**** You Too!!

Originally Posted by PeteM143

**CK You too, jackass!!!! GM has owned Opel for decades and employed gobs of Europeans. You would prefer GM import more Korean Chevrolets and flood your market? Did you think they were going to give up Europe just because Opel might get sold? You're a dope.

What do the Russians or Magna really know about buildings cars.???.. not much moron. Opel is way more likely to fail without GM than with it.

Your Euro-centric, snotty everything American is so bad sh*tty attitude shines right through. You holier than thou Euro-Trash spend all your time saying America is so damn awful, but man you guys consume a lot of US goods and expect us to be there to protect you with our military.

You can kiss our star-spangled asses. We're keeping Opel and you'll have to live with it!

Amen to all these posts, seems like popular sentiment on this forum tonight! Fortunately not all Europeans are assholes, only the Germans and French!

[PeteM143]

Originally Posted by T3000

This is why you do not have recognized at all that within the last decades americans are considered as arrogant and stupid around europe.

You're right: There were times when Americans were considered as reasonable friends. Sad that this has changed in the last 20 years without america even being interested in taking notice of this change.

As I said: I would prefer dealing with russians as they are not less reliable than americans but at least more authentic. Americans have just proven to be liars!

No one is stopping your dumb ass from moving to Moscow if you think the Russians are so great.

[t-lop]

Originally Posted by PeteM143

**CK You too, jackass!!!! GM has owned Opel for decades and employed gobs of Europeans. You would prefer GM import more Korean Chevrolets and flood your market? Did you think they were going to give up Europe just because Opel might get sold? You're a dope.

What do the Russians or Magna really know about buildings cars.???.. not much moron. Opel is way more likely to fail without GM than with it.

Your Euro-centric, snotty everything American is so bad sh*tty attitude shines right through. You holier than thou Euro-Trash spend all your time saying America is so damn awful, but man you guys consume a lot of US goods and expect us to be there to protect you with our military.

You can kiss our star-spangled asses. We're keeping Opel and you'll have to live with it!

Down boy! You're posting a lot of "holier than thou" comments here yourself...

1) flooding the market with Korean product would only be effective if people wanted to buy said product.

2)Magna has had success building a few cars over the years... (ie BMW, Jeep, Saab...)

http://www.magnasteyr.com/xchg/compl...ow_akt_id=2132

I realize there are some emotional ties to international operations and investments, but let's maintain some respect for each other here.

[targa]

Originally Posted by Burnout Czar

... Fortunately not all Europeans are assholes, only the Germans and French!

never been to Europe, right ?

[sebring96hng]

This Mopar fan is glad for GM. It's the right move.

[rsbaker]

Originally Posted by doh

The workers said they would Strike if GM kept Opel.

If they do I'm sure GM could move production to other European factories. I'm sure they'd love to have the jobs.

[GMusa]

good!

[Burnout Czar]

Originally Posted by sebring96hng

This Mopar fan is glad for GM. It's the right move.

Thanks! And we'll welcome you over to the GM side should you choose!

[PeteM143]

Originally Posted by t-lop

Down boy! You're posting a lot of "holier than thou" comments here yourself...

1) flooding the market with Korean product would only be effective if people wanted to buy said product.

2)Magna has had success building a few cars over the years... (ie BMW, Jeep, Saab...)

http://www.magnasteyr.com/xchg/compl...ow_akt_id=2132

I realize there are some emotional ties to international operations and investments, but let's maintain some respect for each other here.

I have zero respect for people who paint Americans with the brush he was using.

With all due respect to you, I submit the following:

1)GM owns Opel's IP. What would stop them from building the very similar models in Korea, slapping a Chevy badge in them and selling at 30% less? The Europeans have no problem buying imported Hondas or Toyotas. No different than in the US.

GM has always liked to build where they sell, because it's good business. This company has been guilty of a lot of things, but being bad partners isn't one of them. Keeping Opel makes it easier for them to retain their economies of scale and share.

2)Magna et-al has never had to run a full fledged car company. Building one model and running a car company from soup to nuts is a different ballgame. Just my opinion.

[Bravada]

Can we please ban T3000? He is an obvious troll, and the thread's got nasty...

Anyhow, the Unions reportedly are rather militant and Roland Koch is fuming.

[rsbaker]

Frank Weber move to Opel was part of GM's just announced decision without question. It make a lot of sense. He will be an excellent person to help turn Opel around and get it profitable again. He'll get Ampera ready for its debut in Europe and also help GM integrate everything that is good in Opel throughout the rest of GM.

[Dr. Show-Me]

Last week I was discussing the Opel situation with a gentleman from Frankfort. He told me that Opel is held in low regard in Germany, considering it a low quality failed company that has low cost undesirable products. If his viewpoint is how many in Europe feel, then keeping Opel may be a bad decision. Opinions?

[Kennyboy]

Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me

Last week I was discussing the Opel situation with a gentleman from Frankfort. He told me that Opel is held in low regard in Germany, considering it a low quality failed company that has low cost undesirable products. If his viewpoint is how many in Europe feel, then keeping Opel may be a bad decision. Opinions?

Well, their products have been improving lately with the Insigna and the new Astra. If they continue to improve in quality and reliability-wise, they should at least maintain a decent marketshare.