2010 Camaro To Be Unveiled Monday July 21st, 2008

[raulss]

Amen well said Big AL

[johnstarnes]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Obviously you have not read through at least 1 or 2 pages of this thread. I find that hard to belive. Anymore posts like this will be treated as spam or posts trying to stir the pot, and will be delt with as such.

It has been stated several hundred times in this thread, that the Camaro and the Challenger have had just about the same time line. The difference between the two is that no one gave a crap about the Challenger enough to focus on it. It wasnt in a major multi-million dollar movie, and it sure didnt get the same attention from its enthusiasts as the Camaro did.
I dont remember any Challenger fans trying to chase down prototypes to take tons of pictures. I dont recall any Chrysler execs saying to enthusiasts to try and find them, and take pictures of them. I also dont think that Chrysler invited 15 enthusiasts to come out several times to work WITH the Camaro Team to develop a better Camaro not only for enthuisats, but for everyone.

Challenger didnt need a new platform developed, a new plant built or totally revamped, union talks to go smooth, contracts tied in with the name, to all work for itself in 3 years like Camaro did.

Challenger didnt have the same attention the Camaro recieved to tune its chassis, or the people that invested tons of man hours into developing this car, making sure that this car not only beat out its local competition, but could excell vs other automakers coupes. I do not recall the Challenger being driven in Sweeden for winter testing. I dont remember seeing any Austrailian RWD teams test driving the Camaro for chassis tuning.

And Camaro did all that in the same time it took Dodge to remove a Charger body, and lay down a Challenger body, put a Hemi in it, and charge over 40 grand for it. Please...spare me with teh glacial pace talk. People need to start paying attention to threads and the facts layed down in them.

Good heavens, talk about stirring the pot...I make posts here of substance quite often, and, being human, sometimes overlook things. Take a Midol and chill dude! My point was that the wait has seemed interminable as many have pointed out and in no way deserves such a hateful and poorly spelled response from someone seemingly enamored with their powers as moderator. If after all the delays that have accompanied the launch of this car a simple inquiry of mine gets me banned or blocked, so be it. Good grief!

[Eric77TA]

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

Finally, hope we hear about the pricing/options also.

I'd guess they'll give us some pretty good ideas about trims, options, powertrains, and available equipment, but it will probably be late fall or early winter before we get pricing. I'm with you, though. I'm dying to know if I'm going to be able to afford one of these when my car is paid off in May 2010, or if I need to set my sights lower...

[kodos78]

GM should have unveiled the Camaro in Transformers, and then we'd only have a year wait. Instead, the car already looks as old to me as the current Mustang.

Fortunately non-enthusiasts will have seen it less often than we have.

If that is a hint of the future C7 Vette in Transformers 2, I hope that GM doesn't show anything more of it until 2010.

GM has given the Ford and (less importantly) the Dodge boys as much time to redesign their cars as GM has had time to work on the Camaro! That is almost unprecedented.

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by kodos78

GM should have unveiled the Camaro in Transformers, and then we'd only have a year wait. Instead, the car already looks as old to me as the current Mustang.

Fortunately non-enthusiasts will have seen it less often than we have.

If that is a hint of the future C7 Vette in Transformers 2, I hope that GM doesn't show anything more of it until 2010.

GM has given the Ford and (less importantly) the Dodge boys as much time to redesign their cars as GM has had time to work on the Camaro! That is almost unprecedented.

I don't see why it looks old already. It's not like they're running around all over the place and are as common as an Accord. Again, the Challenger had the same developmental time frame as the Camaro, with a lot less work to be done. If anything, Chrysler should have done something more than just re-skin a full-size sedan. GM built a whole new platform, a whole new plant and a whole lot better looking car, in the same amount of time. It just seems like forever because they've been taking us along on the development instead of hiding it all, I don't see why that would temper the 'want' of this car...it makes me want one more. Quite a few people on here must be tired of their significant others. I mean, jeesh, you have to roll over and wake up to the same face every year until you expire...that must be worse than voluntarily logging on and searching for a Camaro. How do you guys do it?

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by t-rex

I don't think high fuel prices will have the massive impact many think. $4/gallon may be high, but it's not like it makes fuel outright unaffordable. Remember Europeans were paying that a decade ago and it didn't stop their hunger for M3's, AMG's, Range Rovers and various other thirsty cars

You do realize only the extremely rich "Elite" Europeans can afford to purchase these vehicles, pay the taxes on them, and the fuel for them. I think the Camaro will sell, but it will be mostly be the V6. It gets really good fuel economy, and still has 300 HP.

Originally Posted by Eric77TA

I'd guess they'll give us some pretty good ideas about trims, options, powertrains, and available equipment, but it will probably be late fall or early winter before we get pricing. I'm with you, though. I'm dying to know if I'm going to be able to afford one of these when my car is paid off in May 2010, or if I need to set my sights lower...

I want to see what a top of a line Camaro will go for, I am hoping it's at least $5k less than a base Corvette once fully loaded. I am also hoping you can get the coupe with a sunroof, some pictures seem to show the Camaro with a sunroof.

[johnstarnes]

Perhaps I'm dreaming, but I think it'd be so cool if a couple years after the new Camaro comes on line, that an E-Flex powerplant would be an option...tons of low end torque, great acceleration, mileage figures WAY past the new CAFE regs!

[Eric77TA]

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

I want to see what a top of a line Camaro will go for, I am hoping it's at least $5k less than a base Corvette once fully loaded. I am also hoping you can get the coupe with a sunroof, some pictures seem to show the Camaro with a sunroof.

Do you mean the top of the line to be unveiled on Monday, or the eventual "Top Dog" Z/28? I expect the SS to probably start around $33-35k and top out in the high 30s or low 40s. So, loaded it will probably be right on the 'Vette.

I expect the Z/28 to probably be priced around the GT500, so it could be in 'Vette territory.

I think you'll be able to get a sunroof. About half the mules have had them. I think you'll get the double-bubble roof without one and the smooth roof with one. They've probably just engineered two different roof assemblies.

[nota]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Well, being that Zeta and VE are very very similar and that Holden had major input into this car, I would figure if anything, the Camaro's platform will be the basis for a Holden coupe.

Not according to the MD of GM-Holden..

The Coupe 60 concept is built off the VE Commodore platform and is not simply a rebodied version of the Camaro coupe that Holden has engineered for the US.

“This is all VE architecture that has been stretched. If you look at the front of the Camaro, it has a flex on the VE architecture that provides a more American muscle car proportion to the car,” Mr Reuss said. “If you look at the Coupe 60 it is very traditional VE Commodore-based with the shorter front hood, or bonnet as you guys say.”

Mr Reuss said any potential Coupe 60 production car could not be shared with the Camaro platform and still resemble the concept car that stole the show in Melbourne, despite both being built from the Holden-engineered “Zeta” platform architecture. “The proportion there is really VE.

This would not be something where we just say we can flex it between a Camaro and a Coupe,” he said.

As GoAuto reported last week, Holden design chief Tony Stolfo, who drove the car onto the stage in Melbourne, revealed that a coupe had been in the original global rear wheel drive portfolio plan devised in 2002, and that the Coupe 60 was capable for production.

(source)
http://www1.autotrader.com.au/mellor...25740300837B82

I do not recall the Challenger being driven in Sweeden for winter testing. I dont remember seeing any Austrailian RWD teams test driving the Camaro for chassis tuning.

Even minor & obscure players like Falcon & Proton get tested in Sweden.

By that are you claiming that Australian RWD teams did not test drive the Camaro for chassis tuning?

[Eric77TA]

Looks like we get a little peek at the RS a little early...

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/18/2...maro-revealed/

EDIT:

Here's where the pics are originally from, they are bigger...

http://tribes.cartribe.co.uk/kickapp...6.html?as=7276

[96_impala_ss]

Originally Posted by Brglotus

I for one can't wait for this car. Will I buy one, probably not a new one, but used for sure. I've owned 6 Camaro's and when/if the gas levels off then maybe. One thing I heard is that the Z28 will be the big boy, not the SS. If this is true, I think they need to change that. Last SS Camaro's were at the top of the chain, not the middle of it.

The Z28 has always been the top of the line in terms of power. In fact the SS on the last gen Camaro wasnt introduced until 96. The SS is always top of the line in looks and gets the V8 but the Z28 always gets something extra than the SS.

Originally Posted by COPO

Too late again. A repeat of 1964 Stang beating GM with the Pony car. GM waited until 1967. How many thousands of Stangs have been sold since the Stang was rebodied? Hmm. The Challenger was late too.
The 6.1 Hemi Challenger should have been available with the manual tranny.

Ford has always sold more Mustangs but the Camaro always has outperformed it. The Challenger comes out in full scale in 09, the same year Camaro comes out. They only built 6,400 for 08 and they were all sold. Challanger was not late it IS late.

Originally Posted by Saturn69

The LX platform did NOT evolve from the LH. The Magnum/300C/Charger/Challenger utilize Mercedes designed suspension parts - not geometry, the actual parts - and the 5sp auto.
............................
Don't you remember the commercials with Dr.Z? Perhaps I was a little too angry when I posted, but I didn't make that stuff up.

That is true. LX was designed in the U.S. but has the S and E class Suspension, as well as the Benz tranny. and yea i remember those Dr. Z commercials. I think there was one were they actually pulled out the rear suspension from the 300C. Most people probably confusing the 300/Charger with the Crossfire which is half or more Benz than Chrysler. Of course anything to hate on GM right??

Originally Posted by 1487

I just wonder why people claiming the Camaro is too late and will generate little consumer interest dont say the same about the 350Z, G37 and 335i coupe. The G37 gets the same highway mileage as the G8 GT and yet Nissan seems to be able to sell them. I'm pretty sure Chevy can sell a $28k Camaro with 300hp and 27mpg on the hwy.

Yep. They're gonna sell more V6s than V8s. But since people want to find a reason to get on GM they'll use any excuse. Just like the Challenger thing.


But on the Camaro's production unveil.....
:clap :

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by Eric77TA

Do you mean the top of the line to be unveiled on Monday, or the eventual "Top Dog" Z/28? I expect the SS to probably start around $33-35k and top out in the high 30s or low 40s. So, loaded it will probably be right on the 'Vette.

I expect the Z/28 to probably be priced around the GT500, so it could be in 'Vette territory.

I think you'll be able to get a sunroof. About half the mules have had them. I think you'll get the double-bubble roof without one and the smooth roof with one. They've probably just engineered two different roof assemblies.

I thought the SS would start in the upper $20k's ($28k approximately for the base model). I could be wrong, but for the normal V8 asking $33k for the base and nearly $40k for the fully loaded SS is way too much money, the Camaro is supposed to be affordable, not a luxury coupe. At that price your starting to get into luxury coupe territory. I expected the Z/28 to top out at $40-$42k. Any higher and you can buy a base Corvette, last time I checked the Corvette Coupe starts at $45k.

That's what I expect, I really don't know in the end since I am no expert.

[Eric77TA]

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

I thought the SS would start in the upper $20k's ($28k approximately for the base model). I could be wrong, but for the normal V8 asking $33k for the base and nearly $40k for the fully loaded SS is way too much money, the Camaro is supposed to be affordable, not a luxury coupe. At that price your starting to get into luxury coupe territory. I expected the Z/28 to top out at $40-$42k. Any higher and you can buy a base Corvette, last time I checked the Corvette Coupe starts at $45k.

That's what I expect, I really don't know in the end since I am no expert.

I'd love to see it come in that low, but I just don't see it as likely. The cheapest 2009 Mustang GT is $26,425 and the GT Premium starts at $28,375. Looks to me equipment-wise the SS will be closer to a GT Premium than a base GT. I hope you're right, though.

[PA Dweller]

Originally Posted by Eric77TA

I'd love to see it come in that low, but I just don't see it as likely. The cheapest 2009 Mustang GT is $26,425 and the GT Premium starts at $28,375. Looks to me equipment-wise the SS will be closer to a GT Premium than a base GT. I hope you're right, though.

I think it's going to need to be within $1000 of the Mustang. Enthusiast will buy the Camaro, but for it be a sales success it needs to be competitive with the Mustang price wise.

[Eric77TA]

Originally Posted by PA Dweller

I think it's going to need to be within $1000 of the Mustang. Enthusiast will buy the Camaro, but for it be a sales success it needs to be competitive with the Mustang price wise.

I think that the V6 will hew pretty close to the Mustang price-wise, but I think that the SS is aimed squarely at the enthusiast. Unlike previous generations, I think that the V6 will end up the real volume seller this time around at a better price, a few better mpgs, and performance that is more than acceptable for most non-enthusiast buyers.

The Camaro SS will have 115-130 more horsepower (seen different quotes, but we'll know for sure in 7 minutes) than a 2009 Mustang GT and an independent rear suspension. Used to be if you wanted those things in a Mustang, you had to pay $12,000 more than a GT for a Cobra. Now you have to pay that much more for a GT500 and don't even get an IRS.