2010 Camaro To Be Unveiled Monday July 21st, 2008

[BigAls87Z28]

I dont remember Personal Luxury Coupes racing in Trans Am either. I dont remember seeing the Monte Carlo in Trans Am, which was one of the first Personal Luxury Coupes.
They way I see it, Mustang, Challenger and Camaro were all in the same league.

1970 Challenger
Wheel base110.0 in (2794 mm)
Length 191.3 in (4859 mm)
Width 76.1 in (1933 mm)
Height 50.9 in (1293 mm)

Going by that info...maybe. Camaro wasnt that far off in size.

[kenman923]

I can't wait to see it. Who knows, I may just buy a Camaro and a Smart car. The Smart car will be my weekday car and the Camaro would be the weekend car.

[PA Dweller]

Finally, hope we hear about the pricing/options also.

[EllwynX]

Originally Posted by SDVite

I don't think the problem is the car, but the styling and packaging. The car is too aggressive (mean grille/face) and claustrophobic (high shoulder/tiny-slit-windowed greenhouse).

I didn't think it was possible to make a car look 'too aggressive'. I like my cars to look 'mean'. LOL

Everything you describe as a problem, I consider an absolute plus.

[t-rex]

I don't even like that genre of car and still I'm excited!

I don't think high fuel prices will have the massive impact many think. $4/gallon may be high, but it's not like it makes fuel outright unaffordable. Remember Europeans were paying that a decade ago and it didn't stop their hunger for M3's, AMG's, Range Rovers and various other thirsty cars.

Cars like the Camaro have an appeal outside of the mainstream and I think that appeal will be strong enough to keep Camaro sales at least at decent levels. I think the "trendiness" of the Camaro, which will lead to slumping sales after the initial rush to buy one, threatens the long-term viability of the car just as much as fuel prices do. I think the "base V6 secretary's car" models, typically bought as fashion accessories, will be the ones affected by high fuel prices. Sadly though, that usually comprised a healthy chunk of pony coupe sales. Hey maybe fewer sales will give the car more of a mystique; a bit of exclusivity, if you will, that will make it even more appealing to the hardcore sports coupe buyer.

So if a nerdy Saab-and-wagon-loving college professor like myself is excited over the Camaro's arrival, I can imagine how the BigAls out there will spray their britches the first time they turn that key!

Remember there are LOTS of affluent Americans out there who can drop $30k-40k on a weekend image car. I reckon I'd fit that bill if I weren't such a tightwad!

GM shouldn't be worrying, Chrysler and Ford should. The Challenger are Mustang are dead once the Camaro gets here...

[megeebee]

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How can something that's been known to the world for 2 1/2 years be "unvieled"?





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[steve333]

Just saw an ad for a new TV show starring Christian Slater on NBC called My Own Worst Enemy. Turns out the guy has a split personality or something like that.
In one scene he is shown driving a Chevy Traverse. In the other scene as his bad alter ego he is shown driving a......................2010 Camaro!
Very cool. Good product placement GM.

[Pickles]

We've still yet to hear from Holden whether this car will be built in RHD & sold in Aus. I always thought it would be, but---nothing from Holden, as yet.
What engines are being predicted? I reckon the 6.2 Litre LS3 V8 will be the "standard" V8, but will there be a more powerful engine available?
Cheers, Pickles.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Pickles

We've still yet to hear from Holden whether this car will be built in RHD & sold in Aus. I always thought it would be, but---nothing from Holden, as yet.
What engines are being predicted? I reckon the 6.2 Litre LS3 V8 will be the "standard" V8, but will there be a more powerful engine available?
Cheers, Pickles.

Well, being that Zeta and VE are very very similar and that Holden had major input into this car, I would figure if anything, the Camaro's platform will be the basis for a Holden coupe.
V6 3.6 with Direct Injection making in the 280-300hp range
V8 6.2 with or without AFM making 400-425hp...yes, that is SRT8 power for 10k less.
V8 6.2 Supercharged LSA, taken from the CTS-V will arrive in the Z28 a year from now.

[djo165]

Originally Posted by SDVite

I don't think the problem is the car, but the styling and packaging. The car is too aggressive (mean grille/face) and claustrophobic (high shoulder/tiny-slit-windowed greenhouse). Part of the sales success of Gen1 was due to the versatility and broad appeal of the design. Variations were done on it for different market segments. It worked. I personally like much of the design (except for the high shoulder) but IMHO it chases too far in the agro sports car direction. Are there really enough buyers out there in this niche of a niche? I certainly hope so!!

Very much agree. Broad appeal is what the new Camaro will need for longevity. Mustang has historically had a higher percentage of sales attributed to the non-GT models than Camaro, and that proved to be a strategic strength for Ford in keeping the model alive.

The high shoulder / small windows makes for a claustrophobic feeling in a car, and most folks don't like that for a daily driver. GM made the same mistake with the Solstice / Sky, although seeing how those are two seat roadsters, I can kind of grant them a waiver. Still, the more driver friendly the car is, the better the appeal.

[eaton53]

Challenger, heh... it showed up fat and expensive, which is what happens when you do things half-a$$.
The Camaro might be taking a while to get here but it's being done right and will put the Challenger on the trailer.

If you want a Challenger you better get it. I predict an SSR type life span...

We could have been happier much sooner if gm wasnt deadset for bragging rights for the best truck in the world as the time of its release, it was practically overkill for its competition.

Why, so GM could be Ford and Dodge, introducing new trucks right in the middle of a collapsing market?

[johnstarnes]

So just when does it actually appear in showrooms? Another year after all this glacially-paced waiting? Sooner than that?

[1487]

Originally Posted by johnstarnes

So just when does it actually appear in showrooms? Another year after all this glacially-paced waiting? Sooner than that?

It has been stated many times that the car will go on sale early 2009. Production starts at the end of this year.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by johnstarnes

So just when does it actually appear in showrooms? Another year after all this glacially-paced waiting? Sooner than that?

Obviously you have not read through at least 1 or 2 pages of this thread. I find that hard to belive. Anymore posts like this will be treated as spam or posts trying to stir the pot, and will be delt with as such.

It has been stated several hundred times in this thread, that the Camaro and the Challenger have had just about the same time line. The difference between the two is that no one gave a crap about the Challenger enough to focus on it. It wasnt in a major multi-million dollar movie, and it sure didnt get the same attention from its enthusiasts as the Camaro did.
I dont remember any Challenger fans trying to chase down prototypes to take tons of pictures. I dont recall any Chrysler execs saying to enthusiasts to try and find them, and take pictures of them. I also dont think that Chrysler invited 15 enthusiasts to come out several times to work WITH the Camaro Team to develop a better Camaro not only for enthuisats, but for everyone.

Challenger didnt need a new platform developed, a new plant built or totally revamped, union talks to go smooth, contracts tied in with the name, to all work for itself in 3 years like Camaro did.

Challenger didnt have the same attention the Camaro recieved to tune its chassis, or the people that invested tons of man hours into developing this car, making sure that this car not only beat out its local competition, but could excell vs other automakers coupes. I do not recall the Challenger being driven in Sweeden for winter testing. I dont remember seeing any Austrailian RWD teams test driving the Camaro for chassis tuning.

And Camaro did all that in the same time it took Dodge to remove a Charger body, and lay down a Challenger body, put a Hemi in it, and charge over 40 grand for it. Please...spare me with teh glacial pace talk. People need to start paying attention to threads and the facts layed down in them.

[wescoent]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Obviously you have not read through at least 1 or 2 pages of this thread. I find that hard to belive. Anymore posts like this will be treated as spam or posts trying to stir the pot, and will be delt with as such.

It has been stated several hundred times in this thread, that the Camaro and the Challenger have had just about the same time line. The difference between the two is that no one gave a crap about the Challenger enough to focus on it. It wasnt in a major multi-million dollar movie, and it sure didnt get the same attention from its enthusiasts as the Camaro did.
I dont remember any Challenger fans trying to chase down prototypes to take tons of pictures. I dont recall any Chrysler execs saying to enthusiasts to try and find them, and take pictures of them. I also dont think that Chrysler invited 15 enthusiasts to come out several times to work WITH the Camaro Team to develop a better Camaro not only for enthuisats, but for everyone.

Challenger didnt need a new platform developed, a new plant built or totally revamped, union talks to go smooth, contracts tied in with the name, to all work for itself in 3 years like Camaro did.

Challenger didnt have the same attention the Camaro recieved to tune its chassis, or the people that invested tons of man hours into developing this car, making sure that this car not only beat out its local competition, but could excell vs other automakers coupes. I do not recall the Challenger being driven in Sweeden for winter testing. I dont remember seeing any Austrailian RWD teams test driving the Camaro for chassis tuning.

And Camaro did all that in the same time it took Dodge to remove a Charger body, and lay down a Challenger body, put a Hemi in it, and charge over 40 grand for it. Please...spare me with teh glacial pace talk. People need to start paying attention to threads and the facts layed down in them.

I think everyone knows the Camaro was developed in a reasonable timespan. My only issue is how early the look of it was unveiled. Agony, I know, but I still think they should have waited at least one year before showing the concept.

I applaud GM for taking the time to do it right, but I'll maintain until I'm smoked by the first Z-28 I see, that this Camaro is too big and will likely be too heavy. This is a Monte Carlo, not a Camaro. To be fair, the Mustang is an offender too, and I'm not even go to bring up the PIGGERY that is the Challenger.