2010 Camaro To Be Unveiled Monday July 21st, 2008

[SDVite]

Originally Posted by T-Type

That's great and all, but whew talk about bad timing.

"We've just held an emergency meeting to put together a new reconstruction plan because the skyrocketing price of gas has effectively made our original reconstruction plan unworkable.

Oh by the way here is our new muscle car the Camaro. It can be had with some monster V8s."

I don't think the problem is the car, but the styling and packaging. The car is too aggressive (mean grille/face) and claustrophobic (high shoulder/tiny-slit-windowed greenhouse). Part of the sales success of Gen1 was due to the versatility and broad appeal of the design. Variations were done on it for different market segments. It worked. I personally like much of the design (except for the high shoulder) but IMHO it chases too far in the agro sports car direction. Are there really enough buyers out there in this niche of a niche? I certainly hope so!!

[skylark68]

Originally Posted by Eric77TA

What were the best sales years ever for the Camaro? The mid to late 70s and early 80s which if you'll remember were a horrible recession and gas crunch. And that was a 10 year old design at the time. Let's wait and see what happens before we kill the car...there's a lot of pent up demand out there!

I agree. 1979 was the best selling Camaro year of all time and inflation was hitting hard (from 1977 to 1981 the price for a Z28 went from around $5000 to $8000!!!). It was a dated design by then and it was still selling 100,000 - 250,000 units annually.

This new Camaro even with gas prices being the way they are will sell if it's packaged right.

[ColoradoZQ8]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Pretty much dead on, but considering that Challenger already had a platform as well as engines and powertrains already certified for that platform, all they had to do was come up with some sheet metal. And that they lifted right off of the 1970's. Really...what took the Challenger so long?
It feels long cause Camaro has been in the lime light longer.


Here is my prediction. 300hp with 30mpg highway in a 3600lbs package with 6spd manual or automatic, with more standard equipment then Mustang or Challenger, and a price of 23,995. Pricing wont be announced till just before going on sale, but we should know 7/8ths of the Camaro mystery come Monday afternoon.

You are living in a dream world.

A loaded V8 Camaro for $23k? Lutz has stated that this car will sell at a premium price to the Mustang. Expect at least $30k for the V8 models.

The Challenger was developed in approximately half the time of the Camaro (24 months versus 4 years). Lifted right off the 1970's? Its all new car, on a new chassis (sharing not a single dimension or component)..... The '70s cars still look good -- why fix what ain't broke? If the failed 04-06 GTO actually looked like say a '69 GTO -- would people have been moaning? Be thankful we have 3 pony cars doing battle again -- because I doubt it will last long (EPA).

[jbernie]

Originally Posted by T-Type

That's great and all, but whew talk about bad timing.

"We've just held an emergency meeting to put together a new reconstruction plan because the skyrocketing price of gas has effectively made our original reconstruction plan unworkable.

Oh by the way here is our new muscle car the Camaro. It can be had with some monster V8s."

That being said, the Comaro is a car that is well desired and even if gas prices are higher than they were a few years ago, there will probably be quite a few baby boomers getting one as their weekend car.

If the V6 has good performance numbers and gets decent gas mileage I would still see a lot of people getting one regardless. Around 30mpg highway will be just fine. Give the SUV owners something nice to drive in the summer months

[Family Man]

So, will this car have the right headlights?

Hopefully GM gets this car out in time for Transformers 2.

Now, I just hope that this car is certified for US roads, unlike some other "world cars" that GM has recently designed which aren't.

[Eric77TA]

Originally Posted by ColoradoZQ8

You are living in a dream world.

A loaded V8 Camaro for $23k? Lutz has stated that this car will sell at a premium price to the Mustang. Expect at least $30k for the V8 models.

He's talking about the V6 at $23k, not the V8. The 3.6 will likely have around 300 horsepower. And he said "more standard equipment" then the competition. Not necessarily loaded. That would only be about a grand more than a V6 Mustang Premium and I think it could be a little more than that, but probably not a lot more to begin with.

The Challenger is not an all new car. It's a shortened Charger/300, built in the same plant as the Charger/300 on the same line as the Charger/300.

Camaro is an all new platform that no plant or line existed in North America to build at the time production was announced (and it's just now being completed). It's only current U.S. platform mate is imported from Australia.

I'm not dissing the Challenger. It's cool as hell, but it was a much easier car to bring to production.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by ColoradoZQ8

You are living in a dream world.

A loaded V8 Camaro for $23k? Lutz has stated that this car will sell at a premium price to the Mustang. Expect at least $30k for the V8 models.

Under 30k for the V8, but the 300hp V6 will start at around 23-24k.
But hey, its cool to think that you thought that the V6 was making V8 power. I guess thats a win sort of for Camaro?

The Challenger was developed in approximately half the time of the Camaro (24 months versus 4 years). Lifted right off the 1970's? Its all new car, on a new chassis (sharing not a single dimension or component)..... The '70s cars still look good -- why fix what ain't broke? If the failed 04-06 GTO actually looked like say a '69 GTO -- would people have been moaning? Be thankful we have 3 pony cars doing battle again -- because I doubt it will last long (EPA).

Um...What kind of time keeping device do you have?
Both Challenger and Camaro were shown at Detroit. Challenger was actually given a green light before Camaro. 24 months? That would mean that Challenger was in production and for sale in Jan?
Challenger still is not in full production, they just are making high priced SRT8 models now. Regular SE and RT cars go into production in a month I belive?
Failed 04-06 GTO's? What failed?

Originally Posted by Family Man

Now, I just hope that this car is certified for US roads, unlike some other "world cars" that GM has recently designed which aren't.

Uh...certified for US roads? Am I losing my mind? What "world cars" are not designed for US roads that are out now?

Originally Posted by Eric77TA

He's talking about the V6 at $23k, not the V8. The 3.6 will likely have around 300 horsepower. And he said "more standard equipment" then the competition. Not necessarily loaded. That would only be about a grand more than a V6 Mustang Premium and I think it could be a little more than that, but probably not a lot more to begin with.

The Challenger is not an all new car. It's a shortened Charger/300, built in the same plant as the Charger/300 on the same line as the Charger/300.

Camaro is an all new platform that no plant or line existed in North America to build at the time production was announced (and it's just now being completed). It's only current U.S. platform mate is imported from Australia.

I'm not dissing the Challenger. It's cool as hell, but it was a much easier car to bring to production.

Agreed 100%. Thank you.

[Saturn69]

Originally Posted by ColoradoZQ8

You are living in a dream world.

A loaded V8 Camaro for $23k? Lutz has stated that this car will sell at a premium price to the Mustang. Expect at least $30k for the V8 models.

The Challenger was developed in approximately half the time of the Camaro (24 months versus 4 years). Lifted right off the 1970's? Its all new car, on a new chassis (sharing not a single dimension or component)..... The '70s cars still look good -- why fix what ain't broke? If the failed 04-06 GTO actually looked like say a '69 GTO -- would people have been moaning? Be thankful we have 3 pony cars doing battle again -- because I doubt it will last long (EPA).

Sorry, it'll be 36 months from getting the green light to production, not 48 months...and just for the record, the Challenger is based off an existing platform that "used components borrowed from the Mercedes-Benz W220 S-class control arm front suspension (designed in 2000), Mercedes-Benz W210 E-Class the 5-link rear suspension (designed in 1996), the W5A580 5-speed automatic (again, from 1999), the rear differential, and the ESP system." The Camaro is all-new, all-GM. The Challenger is a slap-dash, out-dated chassis-equipped Chrysler 300 body kit. The Challenger was introduced at the 2006 NAIAS, same as the Camaro. The Camaro has a unique chassis, a new factory and all new parts whereas, again, the Challenger simply needed a body...who did more work in the intervening time between January '06 and now? I'd say GM. You shouldn't be asking what took so long with the Chevy, you should be asking WHY it took so long with the Challenger, considering all they had to do was build a body and some badges to slap on a full-size sedan that's been around for nearly 5 years.

[Saturn69]

Wow. The economy IS in trouble. Gas prices are rising, the housing market is unstable, grocery prices have gone up, the cost of paying attention is apparently out of reach of many GMInsideNews.com members......

[Ambalanche]

[quote=VetteZ06;1458001]Sorry, but when we've been hearing about the upcoming Camaro for roughly the past ten years, the "blah blah Camaro took too long talk" is totally warranted. QUOTE]

Um excuse me, but the Camaro was just approved for production in August of 2006 after the Debut at the same year's NAIAS. Just how fast do you think you can put a concept into production? Three years is not slow. You just pay attention to future cars. Most of the general public still doesn't even know this car is comeing.

[Buickman]

for some enthusiasts this seems like forever. however, for the general public the car will be a huge hit. unlike previously anticipated models that failed (ie SSR), this one will sell out for years to come. our engineers and stylists have done very nice work. now the only serious concern is allowing our marketing staff to touch the thing.

[Family Man]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Uh...certified for US roads? Am I losing my mind? What "world cars" are not designed for US roads that are out now?

I was just refering to the recent news that the Beat/GM micro cars were not coming the the US because they were not certified for US (it could have been the Cruze, I forget exactly, and I remember others stating that the news about the Cruze not coming to the US was most likely a lie...)

[Duramaximum]

Stop saying that people won't want this car because of the gas problem. I still want it. Why? Because it is going to get better milage than my GMC Sierra (which the tree huggers will have to pry from my cold, dead hands.)

Look at the G8. Its the same chasis, that weighs a little more, and gets 24mpg hwy. The Camaro is only going to do better than that. Not to mention, if you want a Camaro bad enough, you are going to figure out how to pay for one; even the gas for it.

They've already said they aren't going to market it directly against the Mustang as a muscle car, but as a fuel-efficient alternative to a lot of other less efficient transportation options.

You people need to stop thinking so negative!

[Kennyboy]

Jes. Finally after 3 years of keeping us in suspense. Debut in 2006 at the Detroit, with 3 years ofspy and corporate pics later, we finally have the production model. Never too late.

[Ambalanche]

Originally Posted by Kennyboy

Jes. Finally after 3 years of keeping us in suspense. Debut in 2006 at the Detroit, with 3 years ofspy and corporate pics later, we finally have the production model. Never too late.

Again, how long do you think it SHOULD take to produce a car from the ground up?