GM Forum / GM News GM Forum / GM News
 
Go Back   GM Inside News Forum > Discussion Area > Performance Technical Discussion
Register Home Forum Active Topics eBay Marketplace Media Gallery Mark Forums Read

Please Visit our Site Sponsors

GM Inside News & GM Forum is the premier GM Forum and GM News Source on the internet. We discuss all GM models on the forum. Registered Users do not see the above ads. Please Register - It's Free!
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-01-2009, 10:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
3.0 Liter SIDI V6
 
Suziebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Southwestern Virginia
Drives: 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier LS Sport Coupe
Posts: 671
Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

So, I'm a college student with my first car. I've realized that since I may plan on continuing my education for a while, the funds for a new Camaro or Caddy may not be available for... let's say a few product cycles.

I'm sitting here with a 2003 Cavalier LS Sport Coupe. Tuners have proven this is a more than capable platform. Let's just say right off the bat that I am not a tuner. I shopped Mustangs and Camaros when I was looking for a car, but at the time gas prices made a big V8 too expensive to own, and I think it's a sin to do a great car an injustice by driving it in V6 form.

So... I don't really know much about actually doing work on cars. I know how stuff works but I've never worked in a garage.

What I want your advice on is... should I get my car turbocharged? It would have to be done by someone else but I have access to some decent places. The car is an automatic, which presents some problems. We're going for maximum durability here.

Should I go through with this? Should I have it converted to a stick? Can anyone recommend a brand of turbocharger? Any info would be helpful.
Suziebob is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 08-01-2009, 11:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
454
3.6 Liter SIDI V6
 
454's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
Drives: 1996 Buick Riviera
Posts: 1,181
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suziebob View Post
So, I'm a college student with my first car. I've realized that since I may plan on continuing my education for a while, the funds for a new Camaro or Caddy may not be available for... let's say a few product cycles.

I'm sitting here with a 2003 Cavalier LS Sport Coupe. Tuners have proven this is a more than capable platform. Let's just say right off the bat that I am not a tuner. I shopped Mustangs and Camaros when I was looking for a car, but at the time gas prices made a big V8 too expensive to own, and I think it's a sin to do a great car an injustice by driving it in V6 form.

So... I don't really know much about actually doing work on cars. I know how stuff works but I've never worked in a garage.

What I want your advice on is... should I get my car turbocharged? It would have to be done by someone else but I have access to some decent places. The car is an automatic, which presents some problems. We're going for maximum durability here.

Should I go through with this? Should I have it converted to a stick? Can anyone recommend a brand of turbocharger? Any info would be helpful.
Too be completely honest i would say not to do it. Between the trans and turbo kit you're probably looking at a couple thousand dollars easy. I think you should wait it out and save up to get that nice Camaro in the future
__________________
454 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2009, 11:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
4.6 Liter Northstar V8
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: South Of The North
Drives: '08 GMC Canyon
Posts: 1,634
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Lots of questions.

Unless you're going to turn the wrenches yourself, you need to trade your car for a stick, the expense will be too great.

If it's a low mileage car, you could turbo it. Do you have the $$$$ to fix it when it breaks? Half the money you spend modding a car goes toward repairs.

Do you have access to a racetrack? At the minimum, street racing will cost you a ton on your insurance, your license, or your life. You never know the skill level, the wrench level, or the alcohol or drug level of the person next to you on the street.

Modding cars is a blast. I've done it for years. But you need to have all the pieces into place. Will it interfere with your studies?
MrCritical is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2009, 11:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
3.0 Liter SIDI V6
 
Suziebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Southwestern Virginia
Drives: 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier LS Sport Coupe
Posts: 671
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

I actually do have access to race tracks for when that need strikes. I was thinking about just uping the fun factor, rather than turning it into a race car.

Will slapping a turbo on it (or any car, for that matter) significantly reduce the durability of it? I can stomach a fair bit of repairs, but not a constant stream. But hell, having a Cavalier already takes a lot of repair funding.

If I traded it, it would probably be for a Mustang.
Suziebob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2009, 11:31 PM   #5 (permalink)
454
3.6 Liter SIDI V6
 
454's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
Drives: 1996 Buick Riviera
Posts: 1,181
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suziebob View Post
I actually do have access to race tracks for when that need strikes. I was thinking about just uping the fun factor, rather than turning it into a race car.

Will slapping a turbo on it (or any car, for that matter) significantly reduce the durability of it? I can stomach a fair bit of repairs, but not a constant stream. But hell, having a Cavalier already takes a lot of repair funding.

If I traded it, it would probably be for a Mustang.
Boosting any car not designed for it originally is pretty risky. The only safe way to monitor this is with a tuner. The biggest issue you will see is predetonation or knock, as the increased heat within the engine from the compressed air from the turbo can ignite the fuel in the cylinder at the wrong time and cause major problems.
__________________

Last edited by 454 : 08-01-2009 at 11:34 PM.
454 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 12:19 AM   #6 (permalink)
3.0 Liter SIDI V6
 
Suziebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Southwestern Virginia
Drives: 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier LS Sport Coupe
Posts: 671
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

You know, I may just trade to a Cobalt SS.
Suziebob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 12:31 AM   #7 (permalink)
454
3.6 Liter SIDI V6
 
454's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
Drives: 1996 Buick Riviera
Posts: 1,181
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suziebob View Post
You know, I may just trade to a Cobalt SS.
That's a very safe alternative, its pretty much what you were trying to build with your Cavalier as well! Good choice!
__________________
454 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 12:41 AM   #8 (permalink)
6.0 Liter L76 V8
 
GMfan1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: in a undisclosed bunker somewhere in the metro detroit area
Drives: 2001 Chevy Malibu LS
Posts: 2,284
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by 454 View Post
That's a very safe alternative, its pretty much what you were trying to build with your Cavalier as well! Good choice!
yeah good choice there is a supercharger option from RSM for 4 cylinder cavaliers (but the 4 thousand dollar asking price is not worth it) plus neither engine in the J body (cav/sunfire) was designed for bolt on turbos. In order to accomodate such a thing would require some serious wrench turning
__________________
“The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair”


"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools".
- Douglas Adams -

Current ride: 2001 Chevy Malibu LS
(happy 99,000 miles )
GMfan1111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 12:41 AM   #9 (permalink)
3.0 Liter SIDI V6
 
Suziebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Southwestern Virginia
Drives: 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier LS Sport Coupe
Posts: 671
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by 454 View Post
That's a very safe alternative, its pretty much what you were trying to build with your Cavalier as well! Good choice!
The only problem is, like (yes, I say like, and so, a lot, I'm a teenager) almost everyone who drives a Cobalt SS here is a super hot volleyball playing chick. This presents a few problems.

When I rode with one of aforementioned super hot volleyball playing chicks, she proved just how they drive. Flat out and sideways. Police are already watching these cars.

Two, through window tint, if I wear giant aviator glasses, I've been mistaken for a girl. When I'm clean shaven.

So, either I'm going to be mistaken for a skank and followed by middle aged losers, or I have to grow a beard.
Suziebob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 12:42 AM   #10 (permalink)
3.0 Liter SIDI V6
 
Suziebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Southwestern Virginia
Drives: 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier LS Sport Coupe
Posts: 671
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by GMfan1111 View Post
yeah good choice there is a supercharger option from RSM for 4 cylinder cavaliers (but the 4 thousand dollar asking price is not worth it) plus neither engine in the J body (cav/sunfire) was designed for bolt on turbos. In order to accomodate such a thing would require some serious wrench turning
I see white trash kids from the suburbs with turbocharged Cavaliers all the time, but I figure that's why they're working at a 7/11 instead of going to school.
Suziebob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 12:49 AM   #11 (permalink)
454
3.6 Liter SIDI V6
 
454's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
Drives: 1996 Buick Riviera
Posts: 1,181
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suziebob View Post
The only problem is, like (yes, I say like, and so, a lot, I'm a teenager) almost everyone who drives a Cobalt SS here is a super hot volleyball playing chick. This presents a few problems.

When I rode with one of aforementioned super hot volleyball playing chicks, she proved just how they drive. Flat out and sideways. Police are already watching these cars.

Two, through window tint, if I wear giant aviator glasses, I've been mistaken for a girl. When I'm clean shaven.

So, either I'm going to be mistaken for a skank and followed by middle aged losers, or I have to grow a beard.
Well if you want something under the radar maybe you should check out a Regal GS. The 5-0 wont look twice at it!
__________________
454 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 12:59 AM   #12 (permalink)
6.0 Liter L76 V8
 
GMfan1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: in a undisclosed bunker somewhere in the metro detroit area
Drives: 2001 Chevy Malibu LS
Posts: 2,284
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by 454 View Post
Well if you want something under the radar maybe you should check out a Regal GS. The 5-0 wont look twice at it!
plus mod support for L67 cars such as the Regal GS is alot more extensive than the J body
__________________
“The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair”


"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools".
- Douglas Adams -

Current ride: 2001 Chevy Malibu LS
(happy 99,000 miles )
GMfan1111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 01:32 AM   #13 (permalink)
3.0 Liter SIDI V6
 
Suziebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Southwestern Virginia
Drives: 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier LS Sport Coupe
Posts: 671
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by 454 View Post
Well if you want something under the radar maybe you should check out a Regal GS. The 5-0 wont look twice at it!
That may interfere with certain... operations I have on campus...
Suziebob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 01:52 AM   #14 (permalink)
454
3.6 Liter SIDI V6
 
454's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
Drives: 1996 Buick Riviera
Posts: 1,181
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suziebob View Post
That may interfere with certain... operations I have on campus...
Ah no love for the Buicks! The ladies will the the comfortable and spacious interior....
__________________
454 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 11:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8
 
F14CRAZY's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Dimondale, MI
Drives: '89 Buick Reatta
Posts: 6,230
Re: Cavalier: To Turbocharge or Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by 454 View Post
Ah no love for the Buicks! The ladies will the the comfortable and spacious interior....






how does the 2.2L fair with forced induction generally? Like according to jbody.org?

If you weren't into getting a Cobalt SS you could look into putting the turbo 2.0L from the SS into your Cobalt. I'm not saying its going to bolt up but it couldn't be that bad of a job.
__________________
Owner of vehicles powered by a Buick even-fire V6, Chevy 60 degree OHV V6, a big block Buick V8, and a quadrozontal

Triple-X08:take your hybrids and shove em up yer ass, i'll take my fuel injection and carburetors, and still make 30+ mpg. and i wont look like a douchebag driving it.
F14CRAZY is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  GM Inside News Forum > Discussion Area > Performance Technical Discussion



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:42 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0
©2008 GMInsidenews.com.
GMInsideNews.com is not affiliated with GM, General Motors or any GM Divisions in any capacity.
GMInsideNews.com is an enthusiasts' forum dedicated entirely to news about GM vehicles.