Holden turns up the heat in SUVs: New Captiva 2.4L 5-seater to take on CRV and RAV

[BBDOS CV8]

May be the MPI one, but i don't think it can be from Port Melbourne. They've closed the four-cylinder plant, unless they have a massive unused stock of them. I don't think they ever made the 2.4L there, either. They made a 1.8, 2.0 and a 2.2 IIIRC.

[gmh-vx]

According to drive.com.au, "In an odd twist the entry-level Captiva 5 will be based on the body style of the Captiva Maxx, the formerly range-topping model that was cut from the Australian market 15 months ago [sic; it was actually discontinued late last year or early 2009]."

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...eID=65967&vf=7

Captiva MaXX is the same as the Saturn VUE / Opel Antara. It's a bit strange that Holden are going to use the much better looking MaXX for the base model.

[gmh-vx]

Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8

May be the MPI one, but i don't think it can be from Port Melbourne. They've closed the four-cylinder plant, unless they have a massive unused stock of them. I don't think they ever made the 2.4L there, either. They made a 1.8, 2.0 and a 2.2 IIIRC.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I according to Wikipedia it is/was. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_II_engine

Also, please see: http://www.oneshift.com/articles/article.php?artid=149 and http://www.channel4.com/4car/rt/chevrolet/captiva/722/3

[Fnomna]

Originally Posted by gmh-vx

According to drive.com.au, "In an odd twist the entry-level Captiva 5 will be based on the body style of the Captiva Maxx, the formerly range-topping model that was cut from the Australian market 15 months ago [sic; it was actually discontinued late last year or early 2009]."

I'm sure all the Maxx owners out there will love that.

[mikmak]

Originally Posted by aball

I've got a bad feeling about this. the 2.4 D-TEC (Family II related) engine in the Euro-spec Chevrolet Captiva and Korea-spec Daewoo Winstorm puts out 100kW and 220Nm and has to lug around 1770kg! The RAV4's figures are 125kW/224Nm/1585kg and the CRV's are 125kW/218Nm/1600kg. It doesn't bode well for the Captiva's performance or economy.

The other alternative is the US Equinox's 2.4 SIDI unit that pumps out 136kW and 229Nm. This is a much more useful looking power figure. Unfortunately, this engine isn't used anywhere in the world in the Captiva. Hopefully it will be part of a major upgrade (worldwide) that includes the new 3.0 SIDI V6 unit as well. A Cruze influenced interior update would be nice too

That could certainly be on the cards. I can see the 2.4DI being a swappsies for teh Holden sourced 2.8HFV6 headed for the SRX.

Originally Posted by gmh-vx

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I according to Wikipedia it is/was. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_II_engine

Also, please see: http://www.oneshift.com/articles/article.php?artid=149 and http://www.channel4.com/4car/rt/chevrolet/captiva/722/3

Oh that is interesting. A 2.4 would have been nice for the Vectra.

edit: Can that, I just read about the potential supercharged 2.2

[benroethig]

Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8

Captiva 5 To Join Popular SUV Range



That pricing is extremely competitive - it's going to give Honda and Toyota a nosebleed.

I'm interested in the 2.4 - I wonder if this is going in a new Epica and possibly the Cruze?

Won't fit. That's why the NA Cruze is waiting for the 1.4T.

[BBDOS CV8]

I think the MPI version is the most likely, but I can tell you - the Port Melbourne four cylinder plant's gone so I don't think it'll be from there.

Bearing in mind the shorter body will be lighter, Plus I imagine it will be minus a lot of the extras of the Maxx (AWD for starters) so it won't weigh as much as a 7 seater AWD Captiva. You don't buy vehicles in this class for 0-100 times. Anyone who's been in a petrol Tuscon or a RAV 4 knows they aren't a ball of fire.

They sold so few Maxx's I don't think the owners will even notice. And the Maxx still has the V6 and luxury fruit the 2.4 will be lacking.

You have to remember: the Antara in Europe cost virtually double what it will here as the Captiva 5 - temper the mediocre reviews with the knowledge they were paying over $50,000 for it. Here it's going to be very much an entry level SUV at a low price which will be the main reason anyone buys it.

[Rick_VT]

Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8

I think the MPI version is the most likely, but I can tell you - the Port Melbourne four cylinder plant's gone so I don't think it'll be from there.

Bearing in mind the shorter body will be lighter, Plus I imagine it will be minus a lot of the extras of the Maxx (AWD for starters) so it won't weigh as much as a 7 seater AWD Captiva. You don't buy vehicles in this class for 0-100 times. Anyone who's been in a petrol Tuscon or a RAV 4 knows they aren't a ball of fire.

They sold so few Maxx's I don't think the owners will even notice. And the Maxx still has the V6 and luxury fruit the 2.4 will be lacking.

You have to remember: the Antara in Europe cost virtually double what it will here as the Captiva 5 - temper the mediocre reviews with the knowledge they were paying over $50,000 for it. Here it's going to be very much an entry level SUV at a low price which will be the main reason anyone buys it.

I can understand why they are using the slightly diff looking Maxx version cause that way they can market them as diff models, but how much smaller was the Maxx compared to Captiva??

Will the Captiva 5 be a "big" small SUV compared to Rav 4 and others its up against? I know it will be an entry level type vehicle but having the 2.4DI engine in it from the start will give Holden a great chance to advertise the great economy this engine can get plus if its bettern than the rav 4's fuel economy they can also bag toyota about there apparent fuel economy advantage they have as false.

[aball]

Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8

Bearing in mind the shorter body will be lighter, Plus I imagine it will be minus a lot of the extras of the Maxx (AWD for starters) so it won't weigh as much as a 7 seater AWD Captiva. You don't buy vehicles in this class for 0-100 times. Anyone who's been in a petrol Tuscon or a RAV 4 knows they aren't a ball of fire.

According to Vauxhall's 2008 Antara brochure, the base model with the 2.4 petrol engine (no longer available in UK), and manual transmission, weighed in at 1746kg and dawdled to 62mph (100km/h) in 12.4 seconds. That is very slow, even for SUV standards.

[Baz]

Im surprised the entry level model gets the more upmarket (IMO) looking design. Should noost sales of the captiva range but that engine is dated and by the sounds of it is going to have some hard days ahead of it. Surely atleast a 2.8 or 3.2L V6 is what is needed. Or they could just slap a 3.6L SIDI V6 into a captiva.

[jbernie]

Originally Posted by aball

According to Vauxhall's 2008 Antara brochure, the base model with the 2.4 petrol engine (no longer available in UK), and manual transmission, weighed in at 1746kg and dawdled to 62mph (100km/h) in 12.4 seconds. That is very slow, even for SUV standards.

True, but a Ferarri doesn't haul 4 kids to soccer or cricket practice either

[mattyman1010]

Captiva MaXX is the same as the Saturn VUE / Opel Antara. It's a bit strange that Holden are going to use the much better looking MaXX for the base model.

I thought this should've been the case, using a 4cyl for the Maxx, remember it is shorter 65mm also 65L less luggage space and its looks are much more suited for the Rav4 competing sector. Hopefully it will share its interior with the Maxx as well, the rest of the Captiva range really does have a uninspiring interior. Cant wait to see it when its launched Holden will pretty much have a complete line up now! Watch out Rav4 and Outlander!!!


Much better looking than Sx, Cx and Lx models in almost every aspect IMO.

[Masynee]

Basing it on the Maxx makes a lot of sense. It'll be great to have a competitor in the smaller SUV market. However that 2.4 engine sounds like a worry to me.

[BBDOS CV8]

Originally Posted by aball

According to Vauxhall's 2008 Antara brochure, the base model with the 2.4 petrol engine (no longer available in UK), and manual transmission, weighed in at 1746kg and dawdled to 62mph (100km/h) in 12.4 seconds. That is very slow, even for SUV standards.

Take off 50kg for the big alloys/tyres, another 50kg for the lux stuff - I bet it has no power stuff standard and the stereo is a one-CD with probbly 4 speakers - and it is looking like a whole 'nother vehicle.

All those 20-something buyers, plus single mums and Grey Voyagers, who are just priced out of the V6 or it is more than they want, will be focussed on: the fact the base is $2-3K cheaper than the cheapest Japanese SUVs - and at those prices, Hontoynismaz don't really want to sell you one because there's no margin. And the kicker: it's got the full safety kit at entry level - six airbags, stability etc, which not all the others do. Plus IIRC it's 5-star NCAP - again, not all the others are.

That plus, it will still look like the 7-seater Captiva, which from their popularity with soccer mums, looks like it's the new Territory.

Don't look at me, I'd buy an Omega 3.0 Sportswagon long before I'd buy any pretend AWD and pay the aero/weight penalties. This just gives Holden a likely profitable tool (that's the important bit) to eke away at the bottom end of the market, where currently they have none. And the engineering and tooling for a short Cappy is done. Even if it sells at 25% of V6 numbers, it will still outsell virtually any other AWD Holden's ever had.

I was thinking the other day, Holden needs more models at every level to fight for market share. Now they have one of them.

[RedVee8]

Originally Posted by gmh-vx

No it's a Holden version of the Family II engine made in Port Melbourne, Australia. The outputs look frightening: 100 kW (134 hp) and 220 Nm (162 foot pounds).

0-100 km/h in 11.5 seconds

Everything else is the same, only the smaller engine and two fewer seats differ.

No more Aussie Family IIs, so can't see that as being correct.
The UK 2.4 Captiva got canned for being pretty gutless, so I hope it is the 2.4 DI that is coming.

Originally Posted by Rick_VT

I can understand why they are using the slightly diff looking Maxx version cause that way they can market them as diff models, but how much smaller was the Maxx compared to Captiva??

Will the Captiva 5 be a "big" small SUV compared to Rav 4 and others its up against? I know it will be an entry level type vehicle but having the 2.4DI engine in it from the start will give Holden a great chance to advertise the great economy this engine can get plus if its bettern than the rav 4's fuel economy they can also bag toyota about there apparent fuel economy advantage they have as false.

The Maxx is very little different in size to the Captiva. It will be a strange turn around if that it is correct.