Confirmed: HSV Tourer Sportwagon Due Late 2008 - First Picture Released!

[YupYupYup]

Originally Posted by from oz

Dude, that front end has been available since the HSV E series was released in 2006.

Here is the link to view HSV's entire product range from go to whoa.
http://www.hsv.com.au/cars/

EXACTLY. My comments were made with a little bit of sarcasm, which you seemed to have missed...Meaning "the new look", which many on here have argued that Aussie cars are only conservative, designed the way the "Aussies only like them", not agressive or garish like those "American designs"...Wow, we missed that...

To clarify (simplify) you have had some very outgoing designs recently (since 2006!) that go against that conservative gibber-gabbish I always hear from a few. Some would classify these designs as, gasp, "American style"...Even the G8 has a more conservative front-end on it than the HSV, but it was ridiculed by some of your countrymen as "so American/ not what Aussies like" in design.

I hope that made it easier.

Interesting note: Look at a few of the comments on here from North America...They like it! Suits our tastes, including mine. Not so different afterall.

[YupYupYup]

Originally Posted by Bhodie

.....knob

Dork! Ha, ha! Wow, that is a word I would have used in the 8th grade. !

Read my post above...The comments were meant for a few from a while back who argued with much might, but which this wagon proves otherwise. Either you weren't in that discussiuon or you completely missed the point. You have to take the whole board in context and not jump to conclusions so quickly (although your response gave me a good giggle).

Are you that insecure about yourself? Wow, no wonder...

[YupYupYup]

Originally Posted by Aych Es Vee

since when have Aussie performance cars ever been conservative?
They mostly get blamed for being over done.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look up some of the old discussions on Aussie versus American, I was told very directly by more than a few Aussies on here that "Aussies LOVE their conservative cars" and would never buy agressively styled American cars...Look it up. However when someone questions this wisdom, a flood of "our cars are aggressive/ out there/ lksjlhjfdsoisehhffhlfhfc!!!!!!"


To my Aussie friends, to get a consesus on design tastes:

A) Are Aussie cars only conservatively designed because that's the only way Aussies like them? A.K.A. NOT like those garish American cars that would never sell in Australia? (this was one arguement from quite a few folks a while back in a similar discussion).

OR

B) Aussies cars are actually pretty aggressive in design sometimes, and therefore not all Aussies like only conseratively-styled cars? Up to individual consumer preference...

??????



Please do not fllip-flop later.

[ral1960]

I like the idea of a fast large wagon, but the front air dam looks like it's off of my upright vacuum cleaner, which ruins it for me. Probably looks better in person, when you're not staring at it from knee-level.

Our local dealer finally has a G8, which I'll go take a look at tonight.

[SUPERBADD75]

Originally Posted by Sgt Beavis

The problem with that argument is that Magnum sales were so good the Chrysler cancelled the car. If the Magnum had been a good seller, I think GM would have brought the HSV to the US. I still think there is a possibility that they might bring it over as an SUV/CUV alternative. I would certainly pick one over one of the Lambda's. (and i really do like the Lambda CUVs)

part of the problem with the Magnum was that it was still not the most useful wagon. the sharply sloped rear gave it a good look, but inside, the rear wasn't very utilitarian. another part was that it was a Chrysler. an awful lot of people out there have issues with them.

[Slick_Holden]

Originally Posted by SUPERBADD75

part of the problem with the Magnum was that it was still not the most useful wagon. the sharply sloped rear gave it a good look, but inside, the rear wasn't very utilitarian. another part was that it was a Chrysler. an awful lot of people out there have issues with them.

True, When i first looked at it i was thinking did someone forget to make a boot?.
It's very small.

[BBDOS CV8]

Originally Posted by YupYupYup

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look up some of the old discussions on Aussie versus American, I was told very directly by more than a few Aussies on here that "Aussies LOVE their conservative cars" and would never buy agressively styled American cars...Look it up. However when someone questions this wisdom, a flood of "our cars are aggressive/ out there/ lksjlhjfdsoisehhffhlfhfc!!!!!!"


To my Aussie friends, to get a consesus on design tastes:

A) Are Aussie cars only conservatively designed because that's the only way Aussies like them? A.K.A. NOT like those garish American cars that would never sell in Australia? (this was one arguement from quite a few folks a while back in a similar discussion).

OR

B) Aussies cars are actually pretty aggressive in design sometimes, and therefore not all Aussies like only conseratively-styled cars? Up to individual consumer preference...

??????



Please do not fllip-flop later.

In case you haven't noticed, we are not here to please you. The discussion a few months back was about 'Bold American Styling' and whether it would pass muster in Australia compared to our own cars which look distinctly different. It is Americans who think Australian styling is conservative or behind the times. We think they're ahead, but to each his own. Certainly the VE Commodore owes nothing to any American car of recent times.

The cars in HSV's catalogue and the examples posted above are fine for what they are and some people like them. There are some people here who like Hummers, Chrsyler 300s etc. Theyre allowed, it's a free country.

I don't personally like most HSVs, including the Clubsport because all the non-functional air dams and spoliers do nothing for me. A lot of Aussies do - but they don't have much in common with US 'hot' cars. I like the HSV Senator which is my idea of cool. I prefer my Holden-bodied car to the HSV Coupe GTO because of the styling looks better uncluttered IMO. I'd have their engines, brakes, suspensions.

So you will find some (most?) Aussies like the cars pictured above, or can at least understand the appeal. A lot of them harken back to our racing heritage and homologation specials so they aren't just cartoons or teeenage wet dreams like many US cars seem to be. The silver-blue Walkinshaw Group A is ugly to my eyes but 100% aerodynamically functional. It and the lime green Torana are both wearing the racekit bodywork, as they were roadgoing specials made to homologate it for racing. They both won Bathurst and Touring Car titles which give them credibility. Again, they are our cars and different to anything out in the US back then.




These are a different kettle of fish to the average US car and aeons away from the Cadillac CTS, which was the discussion point back then. And yes, I still think it's very unattractive and will suffer in comparisons for being a smaller and more expensive version of the Commodore. Not all Australians feel the same and no doubt they will sell some. Just not that many. We'll get to see in a few months whether I'm right or wrong.

There's no conflict at all. We like our cars. You're free to like yours.

[NZ_HOLDEN_FAN]

love the wagon all they need is a pontiac hood and maloo side skirts and that will be the best looking wagon in the world

[NZ_HOLDEN_FAN]

i hate the big pontiac grill they should use the hsv grill its alot smaller hears a pontiac version love hsv wagon to good on u hsv now u need a coupe hsv gts

[MonaroSS]

Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8

In case you haven't noticed, we are not here to please you. The discussion a few months back was about 'Bold American Styling' and whether it would pass muster in Australia compared to our own cars which look distinctly different. It is Americans who think Australian styling is conservative or behind the times. We think they're ahead, but to each his own. Certainly the VE Commodore owes nothing to any American car of recent times.

The cars in HSV's catalogue and the examples posted above are fine for what they are and some people like them. There are some people here who like Hummers, Chrsyler 300s etc. Theyre allowed, it's a free country.

I don't personally like most HSVs, including the Clubsport because all the non-functional air dams and spoliers do nothing for me. A lot of Aussies do - but they don't have much in common with US 'hot' cars. I like the HSV Senator which is my idea of cool. I prefer my Holden-bodied car to the HSV Coupe GTO because of the styling looks better uncluttered IMO. I'd have their engines, brakes, suspensions.

So you will find some (most?) Aussies like the cars pictured above, or can at least understand the appeal. A lot of them harken back to our racing heritage and homologation specials so they aren't just cartoons or teeenage wet dreams like many US cars seem to be. The silver-blue Walkinshaw Group A is ugly to my eyes but 100% aerodynamically functional. It and the lime green Torana are both wearing the racekit bodywork, as they were roadgoing specials made to homologate it for racing. They both won Bathurst and Touring Car titles which give them credibility. Again, they are our cars and different to anything out in the US back then.




These are a different kettle of fish to the average US car and aeons away from the Cadillac CTS, which was the discussion point back then. And yes, I still think it's very unattractive and will suffer in comparisons for being a smaller and more expensive version of the Commodore. Not all Australians feel the same and no doubt they will sell some. Just not that many. We'll get to see in a few months whether I'm right or wrong.

There's no conflict at all. We like our cars. You're free to like yours.

...and we went to great length to explain to Yuppy that Australians are more conservative in the family/business car styling than Americans. But, (as you pointed out re: our history of Homologation Specials) we have a uniquely different attitude to all out locally grown muscle cars.

Because we have never had the population to justify a unique body AKA Camaro/Mustang etc we have had to use our family cars and radically differentiate those cars by styling. Hence Australians like conservative family/business vehicles but are ready to accept radical style in home grown muscle cars.

It's not a hard concept to understand and most of our American friends interested in the topic I think understand it now - with one notable Canadian exception who has been making these snide comments every few weeks since like; "Oh I thought Aussie cars were meant to be conservative" and such crap.

[mikmak]

^^^I'm glad there are plenty willing to bear the standard when I am flat out at work and no chance to put forth such parry.

[redimpss5]

Very, VERY cool!!! Now send it to me and place it in the Poncho dealer house and YES, I will buy one!!

[Monaro]

Originally Posted by Aych Es Vee

since when have Aussie performance cars ever been conservative?
They mostly get blamed for being over done.

Look, I'm an Aussie and even I can see that, compared to Amercan performance cars, Australian performance cars are styled conservatvly.

The examples above are very boring sedans, dressed up in cladding, I don't think that really counts are aggressive styling, but rather an aggressively styled bodykit on a conservative sedan.

Of course in the USA they also have or used to have lots of cladding, but if you stip all the cladding off all these cars you get the basic design. And in general the basic desgin is more muscle like. If you compare the basic Rustang, Corvette, Firebird with the basic Commodore/Falcon its pretty easy to see who is being conservative.

Yes, I know the Commodore/Falcon has to be many cars in one, first and formost they are basic family cars that have to be conservatily styled. So lets be realitic here and not try to deny this, there is no need to. Lets be proud of the fact that Australia can make a car that can furfill so many roles.

[asylum]

a local took these shots recently

[mikmak]

Well, so much for building a house.