Australian & New Zealand March 2008 Sales Results: Toyota Beats Holden By 11,358!

[paul8488]

Camry and Aurion combined outsell the Commodore, and the Aurion is almost selling at Camry levels. I was one that laughed at the Aurion when it came out, but it's outselling EVERY Holden other than the Commodore. Toyota is king.

Yaris-Corolla-Camry-Auris... quite the 1-2-3-4 passenger car knockout!

[paul8488]

Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8

To the Cadillac fans:

Here is where your car is supposedly going to fight for monthly sales:
16. Mercedes Benz- 100
17. BMW- 89
18. Chrysler- 54
19. Land Rover- 47
20. Lexus- 42

Even presuming you corner 10% of the $70-80K market (a pretty long shot) you're looking at 20-30 cars a month. I think it'll be half those numbers.

Yikes, that's scary! When you put it that way, what the heck is GM doing wasting their money trying to grab around 300 sales per year?!? Use the massive cash it must cost to introduce the brand in Australia and discount 300 STS's in the US!

[skylark68]

All I can say after seeing these figures is that it doesn't matter what continent you are on, there are blind suckers everywhere.

[Aych Es Vee]

do Commodore sales include HSV, Berlina, Calais, Wagon and Ute?

[Rick_VT]

Originally Posted by paul8488

Camry and Aurion combined outsell the Commodore, and the Aurion is almost selling at Camry levels. I was one that laughed at the Aurion when it came out, but it's outselling EVERY Holden other than the Commodore. Toyota is king.

Yaris-Corolla-Camry-Auris... quite the 1-2-3-4 passenger car knockout!

Well u cant combine aurion and camry cause one is a large car and the other a medium car according to toyota

Cant understand how the mondeo sells same as epica especially considering the reviews it gets.

Astra needs at least a $1000 price drop to try generate more sales or bring out an updated model maybe make the 2.2ltr motor standard or at least an option across the range.

Would like to know what the 500 people who bought a viva think about it and why they bought it.

So where is the colorada being imported from??

[Road Kill]

Unlike us North Americans I thought the Australians had more pride. I guess I was wrong.

[mikmak]

Just on a side note Rick VT. The 2.2 SRi 5 door has been pulled from the market. Not sure if that is a precursor to it becoming more widely available, but if it does, then the Astra should do fairly well. It is a significant step up and may be justified by economies of scale should the Saturn Astra decide that it really wants to compete with the Rabbit/Golf in NA.

[mikmak]

Originally Posted by Road Kill

Unlike us North Americans I thought the Australians had more pride. I guess I was wrong.

Every one likes to save a buck roadkill. Pride can only get you so far. My dad bought a Rav 4 the other day. He asked me before hand, which was better. The Rav or the Suzuki Vitara. For his purposes, the Rav was the better buy (Suzis only benefit being better off road manners). I asked him what he thought the benefits were and beside the dealer knocking 6k off the sticker, dad said "it's a Toyota". I was lost for words but mainly because I don't like highlighting what I perceive to be a problem, if I can't back it up. Toyota make acceptable cars and in many cases are good enough for folks who just need to get around. The worst thing is Holden has a bad name with dad for 2 reasons. The first was a 1982 Starfire Commodore (wagon) that went for ever but was gutless. The second was an Apollo.

[Road Kill]

Originally Posted by mikmak

Every one likes to save a buck roadkill. Pride can only get you so far. My dad bought a Rav 4 the other day. He asked me before hand, which was better. The Rav or the Suzuki Vitara. For his purposes, the Rav was the better buy (Suzis only benefit being better off road manners). I asked him what he thought the benefits were and beside the dealer knocking 6k off the sticker, dad said "it's a Toyota". I was lost for words but mainly because I don't like highlighting what I perceive to be a problem, if I can't back it up. Toyota make acceptable cars and in many cases are good enough for folks who just need to get around. The worst thing is Holden has a bad name with dad for 2 reasons. The first was a 1982 Starfire Commodore (wagon) that went for ever but was gutless. The second was an Apollo.

Sorry I'm not that familiar with the Australian auto industry regarding quality. I do know however that even though the domestics here have equaled and often exbceeded the Imports people go on blindly and smuggly buying them. I have seen a recent trend amoung people I know that say they will never buy another Japanese car due to problems they had or wanting to suppoprt our industry.

[Ssom]

Those sales BBDOOS quoted are NZ sales, times them by 10 and you have the Australian sales give or take some.

[BBDOS CV8]

Originally Posted by Ssom

Those sales BBDOOS quoted are NZ sales, times them by 10 and you have the Australian sales give or take some.

Oops, yeah, you're right. Too busy flicking between Oz and NZ figures Although, x 10 is probbly too many. It might be 3-4 times in that segment, There seem to be a disproportionate no. of luxury car buyers in NZ compared to Oz. It's very hard to find breakdowns of BMW and Merc sales between models here.

[Ssom]

Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8

Oops, yeah, you're right. Too busy flicking between Oz and NZ figures Although, x 10 is probbly too many. It might be 3-4 times in that segment, There seem to be a disproportionate no. of luxury car buyers in NZ compared to Oz. It's very hard to find breakdowns of BMW and Merc sales between models here.

True, I was thinking more in a market share breakdown (Ie Aus market is 10 times larger than NZ), but yeah, German luxury brands do have a larger market share here (Especially Audi), which if anything still shows what a tough time Cadillac will have breaking that cycle (Ie they may as well resign to JAguar fighting short-term and Lexus fighting long term)

[VB3.3]

Originally Posted by Aych Es Vee

do Commodore sales include HSV, Berlina, Calais, Wagon and Ute?

Definitely not the ute, don't know about the Berlina and Calais. Would have thoughtthe HSV would be different as I think they'recounted as their own manufacturer.

[Zigmeister]

Originally Posted by Rick_VT

Well u cant combine aurion and camry cause one is a large car and the other a medium car according to toyota

Well, yes you can. You know, as we all do, that it's the same car with a 4- or 6-cylinder engine.

If you'd like to, we can split the Commodore figures into V6 and V8, and see how well they fare...

[paul8488]

Originally Posted by Rick_VT

Well u cant combine aurion and camry cause one is a large car and the other a medium car according to toyota

No, I know you can't simply combine them, but at the same time they represent Toyota's plan of attack at the large sedan market. The fact that the two combined outsell the Commodore (and other large sedans) tells me that it wasn't such a bad plan... if they didn't, I'd say the extra cost of offering two models isn't worth it. In the same vein, if the Impala and Malibu can't outsell the competition, theyr'e doing something wrong with their large sedan plan.